Wanting to replace 16 year old boiler

FreeBear

Vma said:

macman said:

If you keep the old one, drop the policy and self-insure. That £100 will pay for the annual service.

What does self-insure mean please?

Put the money you would have spent on the policy in a savings account. If/when the boiler breaks down, you will have a pot of cash you can draw on to pay for the repairs.

BUFF

The_Green_Hornet said:

I did an online quote at Boxt and it came out £500 more expensive than my local installer for the same boiler specification but then they are an added layer to the installation process so it is to be expected I suppose.

They certainly aren't owned by Worcester Bosch.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08086606

Robert Bosch (WB's parent co.) do have a substantial investment in Boxt.

Op if you are fitting a WB boiler as long as they offer the features that you want you are better off fitting WB controls rather than Hive.
 1) you will get a longer warranty (as long as the boiler - potentially up to 12 years)
 2) they will be more efficient . Hive won't be able to modulate the boiler as well as the WB controls - WB use a proprietary communications protocol. 

TadleyBaggie

When we had a new boiler a few years ago, BG wanted around £4500 (supply and install), got it done by a local independent for around £2500.

RavingMad

Friend of mine had to have their boiler replaced this week. Baxi 35 cost £4.2k by a local guy. Online quotes were cheaper but you're looking at next year for availability.  We live on the same estate and have the same 15yr old boiler so it's got me thinking whether we should replace it in the summer and hopefully get a better price? 

markin

All the replaced parts should last another 16 years, Its only when the parts are actually not available any more at 25+ years that it needs replacing, Unless the is a slow leak that ruins loads of parts making it worth replacement.

The only other reason to upgrade is a good jump in efficacy that will pay for itself, At only 16 its likely already in the 95% efficacy range.

pensionpawn

Vma said:

Thanks for all the ideas. It is a condensing boiler. House is a 4 bed detached. The quote is for 3655. all installed with Hive active controls.

That is approximately what we paid for our Viessmann / Nest.

pensionpawn

markin said:

All the replaced parts should last another 16 years, Its only when the parts are actually not available any more at 25+ years that it needs replacing, Unless the is a slow leak that ruins loads of parts making it worth replacement.

The only other reason to upgrade is a good jump in efficacy that will pay for itself, At only 16 its likely already in the 95% efficacy range.

Indeed. Our ideal Classic was 26 years old when we replaced it. Although we serviced it (occasionally) and replaced a dead fan unit a few years ago, I think this recent extremely cold snap would have finished it off. The new boiler is almost twice as efficient and at current energy prices will pay for itself in less than 9 years, which is amazing as I had always considered a boiler as just a capital cost without the possibility of an RoI.

The_Green_Hornet

markin said:

You save the money and if it doesn't break down you keep the 'profit'

Worcester Bosch boilers have a ten year guarantee if they are installed by an accredited installer so  Boxt aren't adding any value just an admin overhead.

The_Green_Hornet

BUFF said:

The_Green_Hornet said:

I did an online quote at Boxt and it came out £500 more expensive than my local installer for the same boiler specification but then they are an added layer to the installation process so it is to be expected I suppose.

They certainly aren't owned by Worcester Bosch.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08086606

Robert Bosch (WB's parent co.) do have a substantial investment in Boxt.

Op if you are fitting a WB boiler as long as they offer the features that you want you are better off fitting WB controls rather than Hive.
 1) you will get a longer warranty (as long as the boiler - potentially up to 12 years)
 2) they will be more efficient . Hive won't be able to modulate the boiler as well as the WB controls - WB use a proprietary communications protocol.

If you look at the link I provided you will see that Robert Bosch UK holdings ceased having a significant control on 15 December 2021.

In their most up-to-date accounts (also in the link) UK Heating Limited, a newly incorporated Jersey company established by Brookfield Asset Management, have acquired a majority stake. BOXT is now a subsidiary of UK Heating Limited.

Mstty

markin said:

All the replaced parts should last another 16 years, Its only when the parts are actually not available any more at 25+ years that it needs replacing, Unless the is a slow leak that ruins loads of parts making it worth replacement.

The only other reason to upgrade is a good jump in efficacy that will pay for itself, At only 16 its likely already in the 95% efficacy range.

I always thought a 10 year old boiler might lose 10% and so on.

I haven't looked into it but always thought there would be a drop off higher than that.