PCN for entering road a minute under the restricted time

Mutton_Geoff

Car_54 said:

If he can't look at it while driving, every car I've had since 1977 has had a clock. Most recent cars seem to set their clocks using radio signals. Otherwise he can check the car clock against his phone occasionally.

Yep, I'd say he's been well and truly Kienzled 

Herzlos

user1977 said:

Herzlos said:

I think the only argument is about accuracy. How accurately can you expect the average person to know when it's turned 4?

These days, very accurately given how many clocks automatically adjust themselves online or via satellite etc. If the motorist isn't sure whether their clock is accurate, I would say it's up to them to play safe.

My 2021 car doesn't update the clock automatically, and I'll be honest that except for daylight savings time I've never compared my phone clock to my car clock in the 20 years I've been driving. I doubt I'm the only one that assumes common sense (which is maybe not that common).

Manxman_in_exile

Herzlos said:

user1977 said:

Herzlos said:

I think the only argument is about accuracy. How accurately can you expect the average person to know when it's turned 4?

These days, very accurately given how many clocks automatically adjust themselves online or via satellite etc. If the motorist isn't sure whether their clock is accurate, I would say it's up to them to play safe.

My 2021 car doesn't update the clock automatically, and I'll be honest that except for daylight savings time I've never compared my phone clock to my car clock in the 20 years I've been driving. I doubt I'm the only one that assumes common sense (which is maybe not that common).

Neither the clock in my car nor my (very old non-smart) 'phone automatically update themselves.  - although they are both within 60 seconds of being "correct".  And I wouldn't normally be wearing a watch that automatically updates the time when I'm in the car.

I agree with @user1977 that drivers who aren't 100% sure what the time is should play it safe by at least two or three minutes when parking in time restricted bays or driving along time restricted roads.

Ebe_Scrooge

I remember years and years ago, my dad had a car that had a clock on the dashboard and also a clock on the radio/cassette player (yep, it was a long time ago!) display.  The radio display was always accurate, and automatically changed between GMT/BST, it picked up the time signal from the radio broadcast.

I've often wondered why all cars don't do this on the main dashboard clock?  Surely when they're building a car, it can't be difficult to run a wire from the radio to the clock so that it can pick up the time signal?

user1977

Herzlos said:

user1977 said:

Herzlos said:

I think the only argument is about accuracy. How accurately can you expect the average person to know when it's turned 4?

These days, very accurately given how many clocks automatically adjust themselves online or via satellite etc. If the motorist isn't sure whether their clock is accurate, I would say it's up to them to play safe.

My 2021 car doesn't update the clock automatically, and I'll be honest that except for daylight savings time I've never compared my phone clock to my car clock in the 20 years I've been driving. I doubt I'm the only one that assumes common sense (which is maybe not that common).

The clock in my car doesn't update automatically either, but at least I'm aware of that and would use a more accurate time-keeping device for anything which matters.

For quite a while I commuted along the route of rush-hour-only bus lanes, often going home during the time that they ceased to have effect - but I'd always allow a suitable margin for error rather than assume one would be afforded in my favour by the authorities.

Herzlos

I tend to allow a few minutes messing up time before taking advantage of bus lanes too, but I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to see a sign that says "no entry before 4:00" to look at their cars clock and see that it's "4:00" and assume it's safe to proceed, without knowing if it's 4:00:01 or 4:00:59. I don't think 1 or 2 minutes leeway is unreasonable.

It's obviously still not violating the spirit of the sign either which is clearly to prevent the street being clogged up with school traffic, which will all have gone by 3:59.

Grey_Critic

Ebe_Scrooge said:

I've often wondered why all cars don't do this on the main dashboard clock?  Surely when they're building a car, it can't be difficult to run a wire from the radio to the clock so that it can pick up the time signal?

The answer to that is Money. I had a car with one reverse light although it was obvious from the light cluster that you could have two.There was actually a lampholder but no bulb. Fit a bulb and run a wire from the active light and you then had two.

Cannot recall which British Leyland car but the radio was an optional extra. If you were in the know you never bought the car with a radio - you fitted your own. Remove the blank plate and connect the wires. ALL the cars were fitted with speakers and a wiring loom that incorporated the radio wiring. In that case it was cheaper just to produce one wiring loom

Car_54

Grey_Critic said:

Ebe_Scrooge said:

I've often wondered why all cars don't do this on the main dashboard clock?  Surely when they're building a car, it can't be difficult to run a wire from the radio to the clock so that it can pick up the time signal?

The answer to that is Money. I had a car with one reverse light although it was obvious from the light cluster that you could have two.There was actually a lampholder but no bulb. Fit a bulb and run a wire from the active light and you then had two.

Cannot recall which British Leyland car but the radio was an optional extra. If you were in the know you never bought the car with a radio - you fitted your own. Remove the blank plate and connect the wires. ALL the cars were fitted with speakers and a wiring loom that incorporated the radio wiring. In that case it was cheaper just to produce one wiring loom

That still goes on. I've recently had a reversing camera fitted to my Audi - all the wiring was already in place.

SergeantBaker

Grey_Critic said:

Ebe_Scrooge said:

I've often wondered why all cars don't do this on the main dashboard clock?  Surely when they're building a car, it can't be difficult to run a wire from the radio to the clock so that it can pick up the time signal?

The answer to that is Money. I had a car with one reverse light although it was obvious from the light cluster that you could have two.There was actually a lampholder but no bulb. Fit a bulb and run a wire from the active light and you then had two.

Cannot recall which British Leyland car but the radio was an optional extra. If you were in the know you never bought the car with a radio - you fitted your own. Remove the blank plate and connect the wires. ALL the cars were fitted with speakers and a wiring loom that incorporated the radio wiring. In that case it was cheaper just to produce one wiring loom

Wasn't limited to BL.

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Ebe_Scrooge said:

I'm not an expert on such matters, but is there no concept of a grace period?  For instance, I know that in proper council-run car-parks (as opposed to private ones, although it may still be true), the guidelines are that they won't issue a ticket for an overstay of less than 5 minutes.

I realise this isn't actually a parking issue, but it does seem a bit pedantic for the sake of a one minute transgression (and I do appreciate that it will have been automatically issued, so the computer probably isn't clever enough to realise it's only one minute).  Or maybe it is an "absolute" limit with no leeway?

If it gets to court then the view is generally that there needs to be a few minutes leeway because

A) The council probably can't prove the clock was set right at the time.

They can't expect everyone else's !!!!!! to exactly match theirs.