EVs to pay road tax from 2025

maxmycardagain

Well, EVs still wear the roads out and emit particles from tyres and brake pads ....

My £20/year RFL VW diesel only does 3000 miles a year, its Euro6, i get 700 miles on 1 tank of diesel which might be worth selling in a year...lol

EVs arent blameless when it comes to emissions - where does the leccy come from to charge them?...

Where does UK get its electricity from?

Primary oil (crude oil and Natural Gas Liquids) accounted for 42% of total production, natural gas 29%, primary electricity (consisting of nuclear, wind, solar and hydro) 16%, bioenergy and waste 12%, while coal accounted for the remaining 1%

Bigwheels1111

Is this news, I heard about it a year or so ago.
Maybe this just sets it in stone.

Flight3287462

maxmycardagain said:

Well, EVs still wear the roads out and emit particles from tyres and brake pads ....

My £20/year RFL VW diesel only does 3000 miles a year, its Euro6, i get 700 miles on 1 tank of diesel which might be worth selling in a year...lol

EVs arent blameless when it comes to emissions - where does the leccy come from to charge them?...

Where does UK get its electricity from?

Primary oil (crude oil and Natural Gas Liquids) accounted for 42% of total production, natural gas 29%, primary electricity (consisting of nuclear, wind, solar and hydro) 16%, bioenergy and waste 12%, while coal accounted for the remaining 1%

Where did you get those figures from?  They are incorrect.

Here you go for the last year (source https://grid.iamkate.com/ )

lemondrops69

maxmycardagain said:

Well, EVs still wear the roads out and emit particles from tyres and brake pads ....

My £20/year RFL VW diesel only does 3000 miles a year, its Euro6, i get 700 miles on 1 tank of diesel which might be worth selling in a year...lol

EVs arent blameless when it comes to emissions - where does the leccy come from to charge them?...

Where does UK get its electricity from?

Primary oil (crude oil and Natural Gas Liquids) accounted for 42% of total production, natural gas 29%, primary electricity (consisting of nuclear, wind, solar and hydro) 16%, bioenergy and waste 12%, while coal accounted for the remaining 1%

Well, EVs still wear the roads out and emit particles from tyres and brake pads ....

Yes exactly, google the 'Oslo Effect'

dipsomaniac

Jenni_D said:

Why are people still trying to peddle the myth that this is a road tax? It's a vehicle excise duty - it has nothing whatsoever to do with the roads. 🙄

Therefore the amount that any particular vehicle type uses roads is completely irrelevant. (Which is the usual argument the EV haters use).

Semantics.  The only common denominator (apart from wheels/tracts) for every vehicle that pays the tax is that they use public roads.  I have always known and called it a road tax despite the funds going into a centre pot as it could never all be spent on roads.  Every body knows what road tax means.  VED?  Don't try and turn it in to a ev haters issue.  I just want ev owners to pay there fair share.

RichardD1970

Well, EVs still wear the roads out and emit particles from tyres and brake pads ....

Irrelevant, roads are paid for primarily through Council Tax and the rest through general taxation. Everyone pays regardless of if they do or don't use the road or the method used. Tyres OK, mabe a bit more than with ICE, but brake pads, generally less due to the use of regenerative braking. 

EVs arent blameless when it comes to emissions - where does the leccy come from to charge them?...

A lot of people charge at home from their solar panels. The others, yes power stations but even there, power stations are lot more efficient at burning fuel than an ICE and a good proportion is from renewables. Here's the live data from The National Grid. https://grid.iamkate.com/.

There is also the question of local air quality, you know, what you, me and everyone one else has to breath when walking the streets.

Tahlullah.H

Stubod said:

..still wondering how they will recoup the tax that will be lost from petrol/diesel when most cars go electric. The tax generated from this still needs to come frrom somewhere?

...possibly a tax per mile using gps based tech??

This will not work without bringing a large section of the country to a grinding halt, and its the bits you may not think of, but you need to be working - the countryside. 
Many who live in the countryside are nowhere near large cities and do not have the transport networks in place for them to jump on a bus or the underground to get to work on time.  I live 30 miles from the nearest mainline train station and on a standard working day, I would arrive at work at 2.00pm, once I have used all the trains, plains and automobiles required to get me from the countryside to the city I work in. 
Therefore, I drive on a range of roads, B, A and motorways, covering over 150 miles to get to work and that is one way.  This suggestion will not work for rural communities.  If the country wants to eat, it needs to think of an alternative to 'tax per mile'.
If I were to follow the often misquotes Norman Tebbit (I did have to travel to find work), I might get to work on Wednesday, if on my bike.

Ditzy_Mitzy

Tahlullah.H said:

Stubod said:

..still wondering how they will recoup the tax that will be lost from petrol/diesel when most cars go electric. The tax generated from this still needs to come frrom somewhere?

...possibly a tax per mile using gps based tech??

This will not work without bringing a large section of the country to a grinding halt, and its the bits you may not think of, but you need to be working - the countryside. 
Many who live in the countryside are nowhere near large cities and do not have the transport networks in place for them to jump on a bus or the underground to get to work on time.  I live 30 miles from the nearest mainline train station and on a standard working day, I would arrive at work at 2.00pm, once I have used all the trains, plains and automobiles required to get me from the countryside to the city I work in. 
Therefore, I drive on a range of roads, B, A and motorways, covering over 150 miles to get to work and that is one way.  This suggestion will not work for rural communities.  If the country wants to eat, it needs to think of an alternative to 'tax per mile'.
If I were to follow the often misquotes Norman Tebbit (I did have to travel to find work), I might get to work on Wednesday, if on my bike.

That's notwithstanding the administrative effort that would be required to administer it all.  Data suggests that the average person in the UK makes an average of 380 separate journeys a year by car.  Are we really suggesting that all of those journeys, recall there are 67 million of us, are to be tracked on an individual basis?  How?  Roadside cameras, satellites and car mounted devices are an idea, but it all seems wildly impractical.  What's to stop someone disabling the gadget?  

And think of all the appeals!  'You charged me for five miles, but I've measured and it was four miles and sixteen hundred yards!  I want my ha'penny back...'  'You say I was in Dorchester on Thursday, but I wasn't.  I was in Dorchester on Wednesday and Doncaster on Thursday; or Doncaster on Tuesday and Tadcaster on Wednesday...'  Half the country would have to be employed to deal with the complaints made by the other half of the country feeling peeved about incorrectly recorded car journeys.  

RichardD1970

Ditzy_Mitzy said:

Tahlullah.H said:

Stubod said:

..still wondering how they will recoup the tax that will be lost from petrol/diesel when most cars go electric. The tax generated from this still needs to come frrom somewhere?

...possibly a tax per mile using gps based tech??

This will not work without bringing a large section of the country to a grinding halt, and its the bits you may not think of, but you need to be working - the countryside. 
Many who live in the countryside are nowhere near large cities and do not have the transport networks in place for them to jump on a bus or the underground to get to work on time.  I live 30 miles from the nearest mainline train station and on a standard working day, I would arrive at work at 2.00pm, once I have used all the trains, plains and automobiles required to get me from the countryside to the city I work in. 
Therefore, I drive on a range of roads, B, A and motorways, covering over 150 miles to get to work and that is one way.  This suggestion will not work for rural communities.  If the country wants to eat, it needs to think of an alternative to 'tax per mile'.
If I were to follow the often misquotes Norman Tebbit (I did have to travel to find work), I might get to work on Wednesday, if on my bike.

That's notwithstanding the administrative effort that would be required to administer it all.  Data suggests that the average person in the UK makes an average of 380 separate journeys a year by car.  Are we really suggesting that all of those journeys, recall there are 67 million of us, are to be tracked on an individual basis?  How?  Roadside cameras, satellites and car mounted devices are an idea, but it all seems wildly impractical.  What's to stop someone disabling the gadget?  

And think of all the appeals!  'You charged me for five miles, but I've measured and it was four miles and sixteen hundred yards!  I want my ha'penny back...'  'You say I was in Dorchester on Thursday, but I wasn't.  I was in Dorchester on Wednesday and Doncaster on Thursday; or Doncaster on Tuesday and Tadcaster on Wednesday...'  Half the country would have to be employed to deal with the complaints made by the other half of the country feeling peeved about incorrectly recorded car journeys.  

Odometer readings are taken at the time of the MOT. Even though you don't need one for 3 years how difficult would it be to just go in and have it recorded on the anniversary of registration and be subsequently billed for tax owed?

Car_54

Since ‘road tax’ has nothing to do with roads, there is no justification for targeting road users to make up the shortfall in revenue, rather than (say) footballers or model train enthusiasts. Or politicians.