EVs to pay road tax from 2025

dipsomaniac

About bloody time

daveyjp

An announcement today cannot be forced on a new government.

12p on petrol and diesel is from March 2023.  Notice it wasn't announced?

Grey_Critic

daveyjp said:

An announcement today cannot be forced on a new government.

Surprised it is taking so long - would have made more sense from April next year.

Grumpy_chap

daveyjp said:

An announcement today cannot be forced on a new government.

Unlikely any new Government would not go ahead with this EV VED.

Jenni_D

Why are people still trying to peddle the myth that this is a road tax? It's a vehicle excise duty - it has nothing whatsoever to do with the roads. 🙄

Therefore the amount that any particular vehicle type uses roads is completely irrelevant. (Which is the usual argument the EV haters use).

ROY47

Why are people still trying to peddle the myth that this is a road tax? It's a vehicle excise duty - it has nothing whatsoever to do with the roads

because most people know it as road tax  it's what is used to be called and will always be called be me and our family along with thousands of others  

DanDare999

ROY47 said:

Why are people still trying to peddle the myth that this is a road tax? It's a vehicle excise duty - it has nothing whatsoever to do with the roads

because most people know it as road tax  it's what is used to be called and will always be called be me and our family along with thousands of others  

Yeah but it's not been road tax since 1937, I bet you weren't even around then. 

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From The Autumn Statement https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/autumn-statement-2022-documents/autumn-statement-2022-html

new zero emission cars registered on or after 1 April 2025 will be liable to pay the lowest first year rate of VED (which applies to vehicles with CO2 emissions 1 to 50g/km) currently £10 a year.

From the second year of registration onwards, they will move to the standard rate, currently £165 a year

zero emission cars first registered between 1 April 2017 and 31 March 2025 will also pay the standard rate

the Expensive Car Supplement exemption for electric vehicles is due to end in 2025.
New zero emission cars registered on or after 1 April 2025 will therefore be liable for the expensive car supplement. The Expensive Car Supplement currently applies to cars with a list price exceeding £40,000 for 5 years

zero and low emission cars first registered between 1 March 2001 and 30 March 2017 currently in Band A will move to the Band B rate, currently £20 a year

zero emission vans will move to the rate for petrol and diesel light goods vehicles, currently £290 a year for most vans

zero emission motorcycles and tricycles will move to the rate for the smallest engine size, currently £22 a year
rates for Alternative Fuel Vehicles and hybrids will also be equalised

I can't find the bit about increasing fuel duty, or increasing VED in line with inflation (RPI the one that goes up a lot, but is useless for setting pensions & benefits), but I take davyjp's word for it that it will happen.

The_Unready

ROY47 said:

Why are people still trying to peddle the myth that this is a road tax? It's a vehicle excise duty - it has nothing whatsoever to do with the roads

because most people know it as road tax  it's what is used to be called and will always be called be me and our family along with thousands of others

..........and that's precisely the self-serving attitude that perpetuates the myth that car/van/etc drivers have primacy on the roads over all other road users. In turn, this belief can lead to unwarranted aggressive behaviour towards other users, such as pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders. "They're 'our' roads, coz we pay road tax and you don't, innit"!

Aretnap

daveyjp said:

12p on petrol and diesel is from March 2023.  Notice it wasn't announced?

There was no need to announce it because it has already been announced - and also it won't happen.

There is legislation already in place to increase fuel duty at a rate slightly above inflation. There was also a temporary 5p cut that was announced by Sunak early this year which is due to expire in March. Add the two together and you get a 12p rise in March next year.

What has got everyone excited is that there was a comment in the Office for Budget Responsbility's report to the effect that they have assumed that fuel duty will rise in line with current plans. Which of course they have to.

In fact what has happened every March since 2011 is that the chancellor has announced that he has listened to the concerns of long suffering drivers, and decided that this year's planned increase in fuel duty will therefore not go ahead. There is no particular reason that to believe that next year's planned rise won't go the same way - but until he actually announces it the OBR have to assume that it will happen. The chancellor will of course have to find the money from somewhere else instead if he wants to stay within the OBR's calculations. 

One day most people will be driving electric cars and the holdouts who still drive old ICE cars will be a constituency that can be safely ignored politically. That is the day that the chancellor will announce that this year's rise in fuel duty is going ahead as planned. It will probably come sooner than you think - but not as soon as next March.

Stubod

..still wondering how they will recoup the tax that will be lost from petrol/diesel when most cars go electric. The tax generated from this still needs to come frrom somewhere?

...possibly a tax per mile using gps based tech??