Energy Price Guarantee No Longer 2 years just 6 months at current level

xeny

Robgmun said:

We only have the boiler on 1hr twice a day to make sure everyone has enough hot water to shower and clean the dishes, brush their teeth etc. 

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I've always used cold water for this?

Elisheba

casjen said:

OhWow said:

Yep, cut our cloth accordingly. Move to a cheaper to run property. Increase work hours as needed.

We should all be cutting our gas and oil heating usage anyway. Governments supporting energy costs won't help in making people cut their useage.

Who is this "we"  ?  I see no reason whatsoever to cut anything from my way of life as long as I can afford it. ... Dont project your life on to others...

Wow!  Climate crisis has passed you right by then.  Future generations will remember your name, that's for sure

tghe-retford

I can't see any guarantee that if the price protection is lifted, the Chancellor (or de-facto PM if you like) may pass the decision to set price caps back to Ofgem as pre-September. The rhetoric I am seeing is "if the Chancellor allows", no talk of "reversion".

We could potentially be left to the mercy of the markets!

ariarnia

doesn't the law say ofgem set the cap? there us currently a cap set by ofgem and the government arrangement is a discount on that cap being paid to the energy supplier. the discount might end but then we'd drop to the existing ofgem cap not to the free market i would have thought 

Spoonie_Turtle

xeny said:

Robgmun said:

We only have the boiler on 1hr twice a day to make sure everyone has enough hot water to shower and clean the dishes, brush their teeth etc. 

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I've always used cold water for this?

You evidently don't have sensitive teeth.  (Warm water though, not hot.)

k_man

Spoonie_Turtle said:

xeny said:

Robgmun said:

We only have the boiler on 1hr twice a day to make sure everyone has enough hot water to shower and clean the dishes, brush their teeth etc. 

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I've always used cold water for this?

You evidently don't have sensitive teeth.  (Warm water though, not hot.)

Without wanting to go off topic/at a tangent, but... the only water used when brushing teeth should be to rinse the toothbrush, which is unlikely to be sensitive to warm or cold water.
There, I saved you a little DHW and water cost.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-teeth-and-gums/how-to-keep-your-teeth-clean/#:~:text=Don't rinse with water straight after toothbrushing&text=Don't rinse your mouth,and reduces its preventative effects.

Don't rinse with water straight after toothbrushing

After brushing, spit out any excess toothpaste.

Don't rinse your mouth immediately after brushing, as it'll wash away the concentrated fluoride in the remaining toothpaste.

Rinsing dilutes it and reduces its preventative effects

BUFF

ariarnia said:

doesn't the law say ofgem set the cap? there us currently a cap set by ofgem and the government arrangement is a discount on that cap being paid to the energy supplier. the discount might end but then we'd drop to the existing ofgem cap not to the free market i would have thought 

who knows https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/10/15/energy-price-cap-torn-plans-considered-whitehall/

lisyloo

BUFF said:

ariarnia said:

doesn't the law say ofgem set the cap? there us currently a cap set by ofgem and the government arrangement is a discount on that cap being paid to the energy supplier. the discount might end but then we'd drop to the existing ofgem cap not to the free market i would have thought 

who knows https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/10/15/energy-price-cap-torn-plans-considered-whitehall/

Thanks for the link, but anything being planned by this govt is now worth spending time on. It might all be changed in a matter of days.

Ultrasonic

AlanGF1969 said:

'Targeted' help will lead to resentment,

Bear in mind that 'untargeted' support can also lead to resentment. I was not at all happy about the concept of potentially huge government debt being built up through providing 'support' to many who didn't need it (including myself).

Ultrasonic

AlanGF1969 said:

Also, why didn't they lower VAT on fuel, or altogether, get rid of it?

As well of the issue of having to pay for it that has been mentioned, the other issue is that this is untargeted beyond benefiting those who use more energy most.