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VCS Fluttering Ticket / Valid Permit - We won...

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  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,811 Forumite
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    The VCS contract with the landowner grants VCS the right to operate the car park from 10 April 2013 for a fixed period of 12 months. Unless I've missed it in the small print, there is no extension to that period. You can try to exploit that in your WS, but be ready at a hearing for a judge to say that as they continue to operate some 9 years (at the time of your charge) after the contract start date, then surely they still have ongoing landowner approval. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Fruitcake
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    edited 24 May 2023 at 7:53PM
    Para 2 of the contract states that it will be for a fixed period of 12 months from the 10th of April 2013 ("the Term").

    Para 6.5 states that the contract shall be extended by a fixed term equal to "the Term". In other words it would have been extended by a further 12 months. There is no provision within the contract to extend it again, meaning that it expired on the 9th of April 2015. The claimant has failed to provide any proof that the contract was extended, nor that the landowner is the same, nor in the alternative that different contract terms now prevail.

    It is reasonable to assume that "the man on the Clapham omnibus" would believe on the balance of probabilities that no such contract existed with the landowner at the material time. Had such a contract existed, it is reasonable to assume on the balance of probabilities that the such a contract would have been provided to the court by the claimant.

    The site map has not been signed nor dated by the landowner.

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  • Lagroid
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    This is all amazing. Never thought of half of this stuff. I will update my WS with the latest 2023 template and add all of this in. 

    Might be a daft question but is it typically okay to mention many things to the judge in your WS? As in 5 or 6 different “hook line and sinker” points such as this. Or should I go deep on a particular few points? 

    Cheers all
  • Umkomaas
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    Just put in the WS as much as you see relevant. There's a 'thousand judges' across the land, they're at liberty to accept or reject whatever they see fit in their own court. One judge won't necessarily act the same as the next one.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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  • Lagroid
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    Hey,

    Updated my Witness Statement with the recommended format for 2023. Also added in the stuff discussed throughout since the first draft. A redacted copy can be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/u85yoe8qlzhucby/Witness Statement and Exhibits - redacted 29:05.pdf?dl=0 

    I'd be interested to get any more feedback, and get the nod if what I have put together is suitable and convincing enough.

    Much appreciated,

  • 1505grandad
    1505grandad Posts: 4,018 Forumite
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    9.On the 26th of August 2023  -  ?

    Para 10  -  is this correct  -  "A fact not disputed by the Claimant during either the appeals process or in their Witness Statement,I refer to paragraph 27 in my Defence..."

  • Lagroid
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    9.On the 26th of August 2023  -  ?

    Para 10  -  is this correct  -  "A fact not disputed by the Claimant during either the appeals process or in their Witness Statement,I refer to paragraph 27 in my Defence..."

    Thanks on the date. 

    Para 10 I’m trying to reference my Defence para 27 where I mention that the Claimant hasn’t once disputed my claim that I did put the permit in the window before leaving the vehicle. Assuming it’s not very clear?
  • 1505grandad
    1505grandad Posts: 4,018 Forumite
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    In the D posted on page 7 para 27 refers to costs  -  perhaps it was altered later?
  • Lagroid
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    In the D posted on page 7 para 27 refers to costs  -  perhaps it was altered later?
    Sorry, looks like I did add to it slightly, I’ll photocopy in my Defence and add to the post tomorrow, but para 27 is:

    ”it is clear from point ,3 that there is no legitimate interest in charging or pursuing the Defendant because the Claimant knew there was a valid permit visible on the day, and as such, it should have been cancelled.”

    thanks for being so eagle eyed :) 
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