how low is your leccy consumption now, this very week..... asking for a friend

Alnat1

@magickmagpie Isn't it already broken if it's using twice as much electricity as it should be?

dunstonh

magickmagpie said:

dunstonh said:

My summer electric usage averages 6-7 kWh per day if I am home all day and goes down to 4-5 kWh per day on the days I go to work. I don't use the electric cooker every day (batch cooking and microwave re-heats save money), run a washing machine once or twice a week and don't have a tumble drier. Other uses include LED lighting, a medium sized smart TV, WiFi router and a couple of boosters, a networked printer, internet radio, large vintage hifi system, phone and laptop charger. I leave the router on all the time when I'm here, but everything else gets switched off at the wall when not in use. My usage in winter will probably be slightly higher as lights will be on for longer and the central heating pump uses some electricity as well when the heating is on.

We are using 8.9kWh per day  with more device use than you.  (e..g stables, electric gates, security lighting, 3 computers on site for daytime working etc).     That is down from 18kWh before I looked  into things.    So, based on what you have said, I suspect you have something that is using a lot and it may be worth looking into to find out what it is.

In our case, the big reductions came from replacing the FF and the dishwasher.    The washing machine and tumble were both relatively modern and were energy efficient at the time. Could be bettered now but not enough to justify a purchase at this time.

Without testing it, I suspect its the 15 year old freezer. It was supposed to be A rated when I bought it, but I doubt that is very energy efficient now! However, it still works and I am reluctant to replace it until it breaks!!!

Our FF was about 7 years old.   Replacing it with a new C rated FF (you can't get better than C at the moment) knocked off 2.5kWh per day.    At 52p per kWh, that is £1.30 a day or £474 a year.     It cost £1600 to replace, but it will pay for itself in three years.  When it goes up in January and next April and rates of around 77p per kWh, that will bring it towards just over 2 years.

Its also much quieter and had a plumbed water dispenser which means we are no longer buying Evian for my daughter at £1 a bottle. She would go through around 6 a week.  So, that is an indirect cost save as well.

it didn't feel right to replace a working unit as that is not how we have purchased these things in the past.   You would wait until uneconomic repair and failure occurred.  However, with the cost of electric being what it is, you soon get over that.

The old Energy ratings were revamped a couple of years ago.  The old A+++,A++,A+. A etc were abolished and replaced with a new scale making A harder to obtain.  A+++ is now around B or C.  A++ is around D or E, A+ is around F or G.   An A-rated one on the old scale would be G on the new one.

Mstty

dunstonh said:

magickmagpie said:

dunstonh said:

My summer electric usage averages 6-7 kWh per day if I am home all day and goes down to 4-5 kWh per day on the days I go to work. I don't use the electric cooker every day (batch cooking and microwave re-heats save money), run a washing machine once or twice a week and don't have a tumble drier. Other uses include LED lighting, a medium sized smart TV, WiFi router and a couple of boosters, a networked printer, internet radio, large vintage hifi system, phone and laptop charger. I leave the router on all the time when I'm here, but everything else gets switched off at the wall when not in use. My usage in winter will probably be slightly higher as lights will be on for longer and the central heating pump uses some electricity as well when the heating is on.

We are using 8.9kWh per day  with more device use than you.  (e..g stables, electric gates, security lighting, 3 computers on site for daytime working etc).     That is down from 18kWh before I looked  into things.    So, based on what you have said, I suspect you have something that is using a lot and it may be worth looking into to find out what it is.

In our case, the big reductions came from replacing the FF and the dishwasher.    The washing machine and tumble were both relatively modern and were energy efficient at the time. Could be bettered now but not enough to justify a purchase at this time.

Without testing it, I suspect its the 15 year old freezer. It was supposed to be A rated when I bought it, but I doubt that is very energy efficient now! However, it still works and I am reluctant to replace it until it breaks!!!

Our FF was about 7 years old.   Replacing it with a new C rated FF (you can't get better than C at the moment) knocked off 2.5kWh per day.    At 52p per kWh, that is £1.30 a day or £474 a year.     It cost £1600 to replace, but it will pay for itself in three years.  When it goes up in January and next April and rates of around 77p per kWh, that will bring it towards just over 2 years.

Its also much quieter and had a plumbed water dispenser which means we are no longer buying Evian for my daughter at £1 a bottle. She would go through around 6 a week.  So, that is an indirect cost save as well.

it didn't feel right to replace a working unit as that is not how we have purchased these things in the past.   You would wait until uneconomic repair and failure occurred.  However, with the cost of electric being what it is, you soon get over that.

The old Energy ratings were revamped a couple of years ago.  The old A+++,A++,A+. A etc were abolished and replaced with a new scale making A harder to obtain.  A+++ is now around B or C.  A++ is around D or E, A+ is around F or G.   An A-rated one on the old scale would be G on the new one.

As long as it has a full.guarantee for 3+ years it makes perfect sense.

maxmycardagain

QrizB said:

maxmycardagain said:

they need a separate ring main

No they don't (the most common way of wiring them that I've seen is on individual radial circuits)..

 Well they arent fed till off peak (hopefully), call circuit 2 what you will, its not live till fed

michaels

ariarnia said:

michaels said:

maxmycardagain said:

QrizB said:

maxmycardagain said:

Q. If im paying 28p/Kwh now, what are the E7 type rates?

They vary by supplier.

You can see EDF's rates here, as an example:
https://www.edfenergy.com/sites/default/files/r505_deemed_rate_card.pdf

 Might work out cheaper to change to E7 and sleep in the day/live through the night lol

You may jest but our tariff is 45p day, 4.5p for midnight to 5AM so I am of course looking at just how much usage I can shift to that period, sadly night storage heaters are not as cheap as you would hope even second hand.

wouldn't take many more price rises before a battery and inverter would return their cost in a winter. 

Have 12-14kwh but looking to go larger so I can use the night rate leccy for the heat pump too

QrizB

maxmycardagain said:

QrizB said:

maxmycardagain said:

they need a separate ring main

No they don't (the most common way of wiring them that I've seen is on individual radial circuits)..

 Well they arent fed till off peak, call circuit 2 what you will, its not live till fed

Modern storage heaters like these or these can be installed on a 24h supply (or even plugged into a 13A socket, for the smaller ones). They have an integral timer.

pensionpawn

26 year old 4 bed detached, 3 adults (daughter has loads of computer equipment in her room for leisure / uni course), cavity and loft insulation, new windows 11 months ago, led lights throughout. TVs (plus Sky Q and two mini's) and Alexa's everywhere and always on standby. Even with solar panels our import (not our usage) is 5.9 kWhrs / day (for August). My (older) close neighbour, also with solar panels, 2.4 kWhrs / day. Over the year we import 12.5 kWhrs on average per day and that inludes electric underfloor heating across 3/4 of the ground floor.

Novice_investor101

Gone from using 1kWh while the house was empty, with just the router & fridge/freezer running, to 3-4kWh a day now I’m home. 

This is mostly from the 5 min shower & cooking in the airfryer, microwave or slow cooker. Oven barely gets used anymore. 

I did a couple of hot washes for bedding & towels while we had a sunny day & that bumped me up to 5.5kWh that day. 

My parents always had everything that wasn’t in use switched off at the plug (barring the washer as can’t access the plug socket) so I’ve always done the same. My electric bill for March to September was £210, but that included 4 months on a cheap fix. & I’ve used no gas in the summer. I can’t really guestimate what bills will go up to after October. Electricity will go up, lights will be on & I’ll be in watching TV rather than pottering outside. 

pensionpawn

maxmycardagain said:

Q. If im paying 28p/Kwh now, what are the E7 type rates?

Approx 18p 23:30 - 06:30, 33p all other times. I've been on E7 for decades.

maxmycardagain

QrizB said:

maxmycardagain said:

QrizB said:

maxmycardagain said:

they need a separate ring main

No they don't (the most common way of wiring them that I've seen is on individual radial circuits)..

 Well they arent fed till off peak, call circuit 2 what you will, its not live till fed

Modern storage heaters like these or these can be installed on a 24h supply (or even plugged into a 13A socket, for the smaller ones). They have an integral timer.

I was going to mention NSR's with own timers but most just have Input/Output (latter being open/closing of vents) ours were 4Kwh each, we had 3 (12kwh on heating up) so cheap rate leccy was important