How much longer will this bear market go on for?

hallmark

I think it's surprising that IR rises get all the attention then QT gets barely a nod at the end.  IMO Low IRs are a problem but massive QE a far far bigger problem.  Likewise, rising IRs might address some issues but it's QT that would make a far bigger difference, if it starts to happen in any meaningful way.  The Fed at least has begun QT in earnest now and my guess is the effect will be substantial if they're able to stick with the program.

Thumbs_Up

DoublePolaroid said:

I for one am certain that humanity is going to technologically stagnate and no further advances will be made, ever. 

In the name of humanity and the animal kingdom, planet earth needs the worlds population to stagnate..

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Type_45

DoublePolaroid said:

I for one am certain that humanity is going to technologically stagnate and no further advances will be made, ever. 

I for one am certain that humanity's future technological advancements are not dependent on Facebook, Amazon, Alphabet and Microsoft.

Type_45

Millyonare said:

aroominyork said:

Terry Smith: 

Millyonare said:

sevenhills said:

Millyonare said:

Right now, the IMF says the UK is the fastest-growing G7 economy in 2022, with the 2nd lowest debt. That is good news.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

Yes, that is what our government say too. If you read the link, it explains why it happened. Except that it was 2021, we are in 2022 now, so the figures are not out yet.
It was because our economy shrank the most in 2020.

Nice try 😉

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fey_qgZXoAIGxCO?format=jpg

Except, as we have been told manifold times, we are about heading to the bottom of that graph.

Except, as posted manifold times, the UK is prone to forward-looking misery, doom and hysteria. We as a nation are always desperate to talk down the future economy. We love nothing more than to forecast recessions, housing falls, unemployment, and they often don't happen. We revel in misery and self-loathing. Look at the hysteria before Brexit, when the economy was going to crash. It didn't. Look at the hysteria before Covid, when the housing market was going to crash. It didn't. And on and on. Rinse and repeat.

The IMF says the UK is the fastest-growing economy in the entire global G7. The 2nd lowest debt in the G7. Unemployment is as close to full as it will ever get. Everyone who wants one has a job. Wages are rising. House prices are rising.

The UK is in much better shape than the hysterical headlines that few read beyond.

Meanwhile, in reality:

Millyonare

Type_45 said:

Millyonare said:

aroominyork said:

Terry Smith: 

Millyonare said:

sevenhills said:

Millyonare said:

Right now, the IMF says the UK is the fastest-growing G7 economy in 2022, with the 2nd lowest debt. That is good news.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

Yes, that is what our government say too. If you read the link, it explains why it happened. Except that it was 2021, we are in 2022 now, so the figures are not out yet.
It was because our economy shrank the most in 2020.

Nice try 😉

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fey_qgZXoAIGxCO?format=jpg

Except, as we have been told manifold times, we are about heading to the bottom of that graph.

Except, as posted manifold times, the UK is prone to forward-looking misery, doom and hysteria. We as a nation are always desperate to talk down the future economy. We love nothing more than to forecast recessions, housing falls, unemployment, and they often don't happen. We revel in misery and self-loathing. Look at the hysteria before Brexit, when the economy was going to crash. It didn't. Look at the hysteria before Covid, when the housing market was going to crash. It didn't. And on and on. Rinse and repeat.

The IMF says the UK is the fastest-growing economy in the entire global G7. The 2nd lowest debt in the G7. Unemployment is as close to full as it will ever get. Everyone who wants one has a job. Wages are rising. House prices are rising.

The UK is in much better shape than the hysterical headlines that few read beyond.

Meanwhile, in reality:

Good old Bank against England (BaE). They never miss a chance to talk down the future UK economy and project misery and defeatism onto the international stage.

Both Natwest and Metro retail banks have said in recent days that there is zero sign of added UK customer distress. These doom-loop forecasts from the BaE again look way out of whack.

Bobziz

Millyonare said:

Type_45 said:

Millyonare said:

aroominyork said:

Terry Smith: 

Millyonare said:

sevenhills said:

Millyonare said:

Right now, the IMF says the UK is the fastest-growing G7 economy in 2022, with the 2nd lowest debt. That is good news.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

Yes, that is what our government say too. If you read the link, it explains why it happened. Except that it was 2021, we are in 2022 now, so the figures are not out yet.
It was because our economy shrank the most in 2020.

Nice try 😉

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fey_qgZXoAIGxCO?format=jpg

Except, as we have been told manifold times, we are about heading to the bottom of that graph.

Except, as posted manifold times, the UK is prone to forward-looking misery, doom and hysteria. We as a nation are always desperate to talk down the future economy. We love nothing more than to forecast recessions, housing falls, unemployment, and they often don't happen. We revel in misery and self-loathing. Look at the hysteria before Brexit, when the economy was going to crash. It didn't. Look at the hysteria before Covid, when the housing market was going to crash. It didn't. And on and on. Rinse and repeat.

The IMF says the UK is the fastest-growing economy in the entire global G7. The 2nd lowest debt in the G7. Unemployment is as close to full as it will ever get. Everyone who wants one has a job. Wages are rising. House prices are rising.

The UK is in much better shape than the hysterical headlines that few read beyond.

Meanwhile, in reality:

Good old Bank against England (BaE). They never miss a chance to talk down the future UK economy and project misery and defeatism onto the international stage.

Both Natwest and Metro retail banks have said in recent days that there is zero sign of added UK customer distress. These doom-loop forecasts from the BaE again look way out of whack.

This NatWest ? https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/natwest-reports-flat-profit-economic-outlook-dims-2022-10-28/

Millyonare

Bobziz said:

Millyonare said:

Type_45 said:

Millyonare said:

aroominyork said:

Terry Smith: 

Millyonare said:

sevenhills said:

Millyonare said:

Right now, the IMF says the UK is the fastest-growing G7 economy in 2022, with the 2nd lowest debt. That is good news.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

Yes, that is what our government say too. If you read the link, it explains why it happened. Except that it was 2021, we are in 2022 now, so the figures are not out yet.
It was because our economy shrank the most in 2020.

Nice try 😉

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fey_qgZXoAIGxCO?format=jpg

Except, as we have been told manifold times, we are about heading to the bottom of that graph.

Except, as posted manifold times, the UK is prone to forward-looking misery, doom and hysteria. We as a nation are always desperate to talk down the future economy. We love nothing more than to forecast recessions, housing falls, unemployment, and they often don't happen. We revel in misery and self-loathing. Look at the hysteria before Brexit, when the economy was going to crash. It didn't. Look at the hysteria before Covid, when the housing market was going to crash. It didn't. And on and on. Rinse and repeat.

The IMF says the UK is the fastest-growing economy in the entire global G7. The 2nd lowest debt in the G7. Unemployment is as close to full as it will ever get. Everyone who wants one has a job. Wages are rising. House prices are rising.

The UK is in much better shape than the hysterical headlines that few read beyond.

Meanwhile, in reality:

Good old Bank against England (BaE). They never miss a chance to talk down the future UK economy and project misery and defeatism onto the international stage.

Both Natwest and Metro retail banks have said in recent days that there is zero sign of added UK customer distress. These doom-loop forecasts from the BaE again look way out of whack.

This NatWest ? https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/natwest-reports-flat-profit-economic-outlook-dims-2022-10-28/

This Natwest.

https://www.cityam.com/natwest-no-signs-of-heightened-financial-distress-from-customers-yet/?amp=1

Bobziz

Millyonare said:

Bobziz said:

Millyonare said:

Type_45 said:

Millyonare said:

aroominyork said:

Terry Smith: 

Millyonare said:

sevenhills said:

Millyonare said:

Right now, the IMF says the UK is the fastest-growing G7 economy in 2022, with the 2nd lowest debt. That is good news.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

Yes, that is what our government say too. If you read the link, it explains why it happened. Except that it was 2021, we are in 2022 now, so the figures are not out yet.
It was because our economy shrank the most in 2020.

Nice try 😉

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fey_qgZXoAIGxCO?format=jpg

Except, as we have been told manifold times, we are about heading to the bottom of that graph.

Except, as posted manifold times, the UK is prone to forward-looking misery, doom and hysteria. We as a nation are always desperate to talk down the future economy. We love nothing more than to forecast recessions, housing falls, unemployment, and they often don't happen. We revel in misery and self-loathing. Look at the hysteria before Brexit, when the economy was going to crash. It didn't. Look at the hysteria before Covid, when the housing market was going to crash. It didn't. And on and on. Rinse and repeat.

The IMF says the UK is the fastest-growing economy in the entire global G7. The 2nd lowest debt in the G7. Unemployment is as close to full as it will ever get. Everyone who wants one has a job. Wages are rising. House prices are rising.

The UK is in much better shape than the hysterical headlines that few read beyond.

Meanwhile, in reality:

Good old Bank against England (BaE). They never miss a chance to talk down the future UK economy and project misery and defeatism onto the international stage.

Both Natwest and Metro retail banks have said in recent days that there is zero sign of added UK customer distress. These doom-loop forecasts from the BaE again look way out of whack.

This NatWest ? https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/natwest-reports-flat-profit-economic-outlook-dims-2022-10-28/

This Natwest.

https://www.cityam.com/natwest-no-signs-of-heightened-financial-distress-from-customers-yet/?amp=1

So the calm before the storm. Let's see how it looks next March. I hope you're right and it is all unnecessary doom and gloom.

As I've said before, reality seems likely to be somewhere between 'everything's rosie' and 'we're all doomed'.

Type_45

The technological future of humanity not looking good today. If Zuckerberg and Bezos don't sort this out we'll be lighting fires with sticks in caves soon.

Prism

Type_45 said:

The technological future of humanity not looking good today. If Zuckerberg and Bezos don't sort this out we'll be lighting fires with sticks in caves soon.

I'm not sure either of them care much about the share price of their respective companies. Zuckerberg is off playing in the metaverse and Bezos left Amazon last year to fly to space. I imagine both think they will be key in the future of our technical advances.