council rejected dropped kerb

silverwhistle

diystarter7 said:

I have to use public transport as do millions of others, why waste taxpayers' money on parking when it could be used to build/buy for the property.

Why do I have to pay so much for subsidies to public transport. Why not live closer to work? Why do I have to pay so much tax to fund the NHS when I am so healthy?.. I don't have kids, why do I have to pay so much for other's kids? You get the idea..

So money is spent on improving the society we live in, and you don't just pay for what you have or use. But as pointed out anyway, this would be paid for out of budget funded from rents.

diystarter7

silverwhistle said:

diystarter7 said:

I have to use public transport as do millions of others, why waste taxpayers' money on parking when it could be used to build/buy for the property.

Why do I have to pay so much for subsidies to public transport. Why not live closer to work? Why do I have to pay so much tax to fund the NHS when I am so healthy?.. I don't have kids, why do I have to pay so much for other's kids? You get the idea..

So money is spent on improving the society we live in, and you don't just pay for what you have or use. But as pointed out anyway, this would be paid for out of budget funded from rents.

I'm happy to pay more for public transport. Living within walking distance of where i worked would have meant spending 2/7 million money I dont have

I have a car pay tax, pay tax on petrol, pay full council tax, never lived in a council property, i support local shops, I don't claim any benfits, I paid stamp on my property, i pay vat on the repairs/maintenance of my home and as I said, I did not buy my dads car as it was too long for our drive, so why buy something you can't park/charge outside your home?

We have private medical HC, see private dentists, sent our kids to private schools, we have give to charity and never made tens of thousands of pounds of profits when the government brought in the' right to buy' as we never lived in the taxpayer-funded property.

Yes, I too can post stuff like you and more

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NameUnavailable said:

Imagine if every house in that close asked for a drive/dropped kerb, that lovely green area would be a sea of tarmac and cars parked everywhere.

"Lovely"

This is one of the major problems with British planning.

Section62

diystarter7 said:

...so why buy something you can't park/charge outside your home?

If the OP had their own private off-street parking they could charge an EV on their property.  The 'developer' of the OP's home chose not to provide private off-street parking, instead opting for a communal car park.  The 'developer' has also chosen not to sell or allocate parking spaces within the communal car park when they have sold properties on the 'development' to private owners.

The 'developer' has thus retained the responsibility and liability to maintain the parking area, and to keep it fit for purpose.  It is Government policy to phase out the use of petrol/diesel cars and to promote the use of EV's.  It is quite likely the 'developer' has similar policies, and has probably declared a "climate emergency".

Therefore the 'developer' needs to start work (if they haven't already) on adapting the car park they have chosen to retain ownership of, such that it continues to be fit for purpose as and when residents switch from petrol/diesel vehicles to EV's.  Just as they have had to do to improve fire safety, and will have to do when gas-fired boilers are phased out.

In this case it is the 'developer' that needs to adapt what it does to suit people living on the 'development', not the other way round.  And yes, what I refer to as the 'development' is what you refer to as "taxpayer-funded property".  I don't see that the source of funding for the development of the properties has any relevance in this thread, and I think you've gone way off-topic with many of your remarks about council/social housing.  It is the ownership of the land which is the relevant matter here.

diystarter7

Section62 said:

diystarter7 said:

...so why buy something you can't park/charge outside your home?

If the OP had their own private off-street parking they could charge an EV on their property.  The 'developer' of the OP's home chose not to provide private off-street parking, instead opting for a communal car park.  The 'developer' has also chosen not to sell or allocate parking spaces within the communal car park when they have sold properties on the 'development' to private owners.

The 'developer' has thus retained the responsibility and liability to maintain the parking area, and to keep it fit for purpose.  It is Government policy to phase out the use of petrol/diesel cars and to promote the use of EV's.  It is quite likely the 'developer' has similar policies, and has probably declared a "climate emergency".

Therefore the 'developer' needs to start work (if they haven't already) on adapting the car park they have chosen to retain ownership of, such that it continues to be fit for purpose as and when residents switch from petrol/diesel vehicles to EV's.  Just as they have had to do to improve fire safety, and will have to do when gas-fired boilers are phased out.

In this case it is the 'developer' that needs to adapt what it does to suit people living on the 'development', not the other way round.  And yes, what I refer to as the 'development' is what you refer to as "taxpayer-funded property".  I don't see that the source of funding for the development of the properties has any relevance in this thread, and I think you've gone way off-topic with many of your remarks about council/social housing.  It is the ownership of the land which is the relevant matter here.

It is "fit for the purpose" EG, petrol/diesel cars do not charge on their drives and there are places to charge EV's.

As I said, the money could be better spent on improved, new housing its the taxpayer's money.

I bet you the majoirty would not want the green spaces removed and make it look like a tight estate on a car park site.

As I said, I wanted to buy dads MB/E class as its its about 6 yrs old but like new as he has had it from new, but the drive is a few inches short, so I did NOT buy the car. Why buy a car when you have no EV point/drive and then cry about it afterwards (I'm not referring to the OP but general argument)

I wanted 3 kids but we could only afford a 3 bed house so we had 2 kids. If I lived in rented place I would not expect my LL to pay for an extrabedroom

I have a pretty large garden and want to build a property in the back and sell it due to property shortges but not allowed, why


I am with the couil for not removing green areas and spending money on improved taxpayer funded property

At best, I would advocate EV charging points but many would not be happy with that as they cant park i front of their home or have a drive.

Section62

diystarter7 said:

Section62 said:

It is "fit for the purpose" EG, petrol/diesel cars do not charge on their drives and there are places to charge EV's.

That's your opinion.  Fortunately people who work for national and local government disagree with you, and believe we need to have more EV charging points in residential areas, and ideally reach a point where every household with parking has one or more EV charging point.  Many of these will be installed at public expense.

diystarter7 said:

As I said, the money could be better spent on improved, new housing its the taxpayer's money.

Again, an opinion. Government takes a different view.

diystarter7 said:

I bet you the majoirty would not want the green spaces removed and make it look like a tight estate on a car park site.

I would take your 'bet', but that would be unfair.  Working for and with local authorities on parking issues I'd be fairly confident this estate will reflect the norm that the majority of residents would happily swap a small amount of greenspace for some additional parking.

The council will likely be amenable to the idea as maintaining car park surfaces is much cheaper than maintaining grass - car parks don't need regular cutting.  The capital cost of converting the space to hard surface (which may be grant funded) can be offset against future reductions in revenue spending.  Councils are typically more stretched when it comes to revenue expenditure than they are with capital, so anything that reduces revenue costs is generally welcomed.

diystarter7 said:

As I said, I wanted to buy dads MB/E class as its its about 6 yrs old but like new as he has had it from new, but the drive is a few inches short, so I did NOT buy the car. Why buy a car when you have no EV point/drive and then cry about it afterwards (I'm not referring to the OP but general argument)

You seem to completely miss the point that EV's are the future as far as the Government are concerned.  You are treating owning an EV as comparable to owning a luxury car.  It isn't.

Your car ownership disappointment has no relevance to the OP's issue....

diystarter7 said:

I wanted 3 kids but we could only afford a 3 bed house so we had 2 kids. If I lived in rented place I would not expect my LL to pay for an extrabedroom

...Neither does the size of your family.  However, if you were renting you would have been able to upsize to a property with more bedrooms when that became necessary, and you'd have between 10 and 15 years to plan for that from the birth of the third child.

diystarter7 said:

I have a pretty large garden and want to build a property in the back and sell it due to property shortges but not allowed, why

Because additional dwellings built in back gardens are generally of poor quality and adversely impact on the amenity and privacy of neighbouring properties.  Councils typically resist 'opportunistic' development of that kind. ('opportunistic' is how they usually describe it)

diystarter7 said:

I am with the couil for not removing green areas and spending money on improved taxpayer funded property

From what the OP has posted the "couil" haven't said anything like that.

diystarter7 said:

At best, I would advocate EV charging points but many would not be happy with that as they cant park i front of their home or have a drive.

Which is why people working in national and local government are looking at ways of providing EV charging points where people need them in residential areas, regardless of whether or not they have private off-street parking.  This includes providing (at public expense) EV charging points in off-street parking areas.

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Section62 said:

diystarter7 said:

...so why buy something you can't park/charge outside your home?

If the OP had their own private off-street parking they could charge an EV on their property.  The 'developer' of the OP's home chose not to provide private off-street parking, instead opting for a communal car park.  The 'developer' has also chosen not to sell or allocate parking spaces within the communal car park when they have sold properties on the 'development' to private owners.

The 'developer' has thus retained the responsibility and liability to maintain the parking area, and to keep it fit for purpose.  It is Government policy to phase out the use of petrol/diesel cars and to promote the use of EV's.  It is quite likely the 'developer' has similar policies, and has probably declared a "climate emergency".

Therefore the 'developer' needs to start work (if they haven't already) on adapting the car park they have chosen to retain ownership of, such that it continues to be fit for purpose as and when residents switch from petrol/diesel vehicles to EV's.  Just as they have had to do to improve fire safety, and will have to do when gas-fired boilers are phased out.

In this case it is the 'developer' that needs to adapt what it does to suit people living on the 'development', not the other way round.  And yes, what I refer to as the 'development' is what you refer to as "taxpayer-funded property".  I don't see that the source of funding for the development of the properties has any relevance in this thread, and I think you've gone way off-topic with many of your remarks about council/social housing.  It is the ownership of the land which is the relevant matter here.

Problem is the developer will decide this is a money making opportunity, and install expensive chargers that need a subscription and come with a high per-minute fee.

The UK is already rife with division and lack of social mobility. Millions being forced to pay thousands a year extra to charge their cars isn't going to help.

diystarter7

@Section62

Those are clearly your opinions and not just are entitled to them. From what I've seen, the vast majority of people want green spaces and I bet you the majority living there would not want a concrete jungle.

I bet you those begging for housing, improved housing via council/HA funded by taxpayers would rather see more decent housing than tear up a perfectly decent car park and make it bigger and remove green spaces at the cost of who knows but into the hundreds of thousands.

A sensible way forward which you ignore in your above post is what I've said several times, IE EV charging points on some parking spaces.

diystarter7

[Deleted User] said:

Section62 said:

diystarter7 said:

...so why buy something you can't park/charge outside your home?

If the OP had their own private off-street parking they could charge an EV on their property.  The 'developer' of the OP's home chose not to provide private off-street parking, instead opting for a communal car park.  The 'developer' has also chosen not to sell or allocate parking spaces within the communal car park when they have sold properties on the 'development' to private owners.

The 'developer' has thus retained the responsibility and liability to maintain the parking area, and to keep it fit for purpose.  It is Government policy to phase out the use of petrol/diesel cars and to promote the use of EV's.  It is quite likely the 'developer' has similar policies, and has probably declared a "climate emergency".

Therefore the 'developer' needs to start work (if they haven't already) on adapting the car park they have chosen to retain ownership of, such that it continues to be fit for purpose as and when residents switch from petrol/diesel vehicles to EV's.  Just as they have had to do to improve fire safety, and will have to do when gas-fired boilers are phased out.

In this case it is the 'developer' that needs to adapt what it does to suit people living on the 'development', not the other way round.  And yes, what I refer to as the 'development' is what you refer to as "taxpayer-funded property".  I don't see that the source of funding for the development of the properties has any relevance in this thread, and I think you've gone way off-topic with many of your remarks about council/social housing.  It is the ownership of the land which is the relevant matter here.

Problem is the developer will decide this is a money making opportunity, and install expensive chargers that need a subscription and come with a high per-minute fee.

The UK is already rife with division and lack of social mobility. Millions being forced to pay thousands a year extra to charge their cars isn't going to help.

Excellent point and one I was not aware of.

It goes back to, if you ar buying an EV, surely one must have considered charging costs and where to charge.

Section62

diystarter7 said:

Section62

Those are clearly your opinions and not just are entitled to them.

Not just my "opinions". It is UK Government policy. You can read more about it here -

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/electric-vehicle-charging-infrastructure-help-for-local-authorities

In particular -

"From the 1 April 2022, local authorities that own social housing will be able to apply to the EV chargepoint grant for landlords. This will provide grants of up to £350 towards the cost of purchasing and installing a chargepoint, with up to 200 grants a year available for each local authority.

Additional support will be available later in 2022 for local authorities to help install EV chargepoints in residential apartment block parking spaces. The EV chargepoint grant for residential carparks will provide grants of up to £30,000 towards the cost of installing EV chargepoints in such properties."

diystarter7 said:

From what I've seen, the vast majority of people want green spaces and I bet you the majority living there would not want a concrete jungle.

From what I've seen - having been responsible for designing car parking improvements in social housing and consulting residents on the proposals - the majority of people living in the area are usually willing to trade a modest amount of greenspace for more car parking.  This tendency has become stronger over time as car ownership rates have increased, and as people become more aware of the need for formalised parking bays to allow EV charging.  I've yet to be involved in a proposal which was rejected by residents solely due to loss of greenspace, but accept that you may have personal knowledge of that happening somewhere.

diystarter7 said:

I bet you those begging for housing, improved housing via council/HA funded by taxpayers would rather see more decent housing than tear up a perfectly decent car park and make it bigger and remove green spaces at the cost of who knows but into the hundreds of thousands.

Nobody is proposing to "tear up" a car park.  All that's needed (subject to no utility plant issues) is to remove the grass and soil to formation level, realign the kerbs around the larger area, construct the additional paved area, possibly extend the drainage system, and redo the markings.  Having been involved in similar projects I "know" roughly what the cost would be - which is low tens of thousands, definitely not "hundreds of thousands".

diystarter7 said:

A sensible way forward which you ignore in your above post is what I've said several times, IE EV charging points on some parking spaces.

I haven't "ignore[d]" this.  I made that very point in my first post in the thread.

However, installing EV charging points alone won't change the situation with the lack of parking spaces, which is the first issue the OP is concerned about.

The optimum solution would probably be for the council to install EV charge points whilst extending the parking area - as there will be overlap between operations such as excavation and line marking which would result in greater efficiency (and reduced cost) if done as one scheme.