council rejected dropped kerb

diystarter7

user1977 said:

diystarter7 said:

user1977 said:

diystarter7 said:

Section62 said:

diystarter7 said:

amexblue said:

Maybe rather than wasting your energy with this and getting nowhere, what about campaigning to change the layout of the existing parking as the picture shows a lot of space could be being wasted there. The two cars on the left only use up half a bay each so that's potentially one extra space wasted. If most of your neighbours want a drive too then get them to ask about reconfiguration of the existing parking to free up extra space.

IMO, there is not a lot of room there if the cars you refer to were parked at right angles to the pavement. The road narrows quickly after the red car and some peoples driving skills are not good and this would often result in peoples cars getting damaged.

The only solution I see is moving or stay put and accept what it is.

diystarter7 said:

maybeatr33 said:

diystarter7 said:

amexblue said:

Maybe rather than wasting your energy with this and getting nowhere, what about campaigning to change the layout of the existing parking as the picture shows a lot of space could be being wasted there. The two cars on the left only use up half a bay each so that's potentially one extra space wasted. If most of your neighbours want a drive too then get them to ask about reconfiguration of the existing parking to free up extra space.

IMO, there is not a lot of room there if the cars you refer to were parked at right angles to the pavement. The road narrows quickly after the red car and some peoples driving skills are not good and this would often result in peoples cars getting damaged.

The only solution I see is moving or stay put and accept what it is.

They have almost the same amount of space as this with just unmaintanted grass.

Ok, go for it but as its going to cost money, they won't. Importantly, even if 2/4 more spaces were created it will not guarantee you a paring place outside your property.

NB: I'm not sure what the implications are of running a wire across the grass then the pavement to charge your car if someone decided to trip over it.

Good luck.

If the land is owned by the council housing department then it is a fairly obvious solution for the council to extend the parking area onto the grassed area to give more room to allow perpendicular parking.  Local authorities all over the country are doing just that to try to reduce problems with insufficient parking in their estates.  The cost won't be that great (in the context of housing budgets) unless there is very shallow utility plant which is in the way.

The best approach for the OP is to lobby the council to extend the communal parking area - getting support from other residents on the estate would help, as would approaching the ward councillors to get their support too.

You cannot know "they won't" unless the question is asked, and suggesting the OP moves house rather than trying to get the council to increase the parking area is ludicrous advice.

If the land isn't highway then running a cable across it to charge a vehicle carries the same risk as running a cable across it for other purposes - i.e. that if someone gets injured they may attempt to seek compensation for their injuries etc.  The landowner may be jointly liable, and for that reason the council may try to prevent residents from running cables over their land.

However, this also shouldn't be an insurmountable problem.  Local authorities have a budget for the installation of EV charging points, and many are looking at how to install them in communal housing car parks.  An appropriate amount of 'fuss' made by the OP could get one or more EV charging points installed in the car park.

Why should I that has never lived in HA/council property/estate keep on paying for stuff like this?

Calm down, nobody said you'd be paying for it. I'd expect it to be dealt with within the council's housing budget i.e. paid for by revenues from rent/service charges.

Who pays the "councils budget," that's right I and other taxpayers do.

No, that's wrong. You don't pay towards revenue for their housing department (unless you're a taxpayer who also happens to be a tenant or an owner paying a service charge).

You are wrong. I'm not going to get into an argument with you as you can easily see what my full post states. 

diystarter7

Brie said:

I think it might be easier to convince the council to put in charging points.  Of course there's no guarantee that a spot would be available when the OP comes home and nothing to stop any random ICE vehicle using them when the rest of the spots are taken. It's not like someone is going to come round and check that it's an EV rather than ICE taking up the space.

Good post and a sensible one as there will be more EV's. 
As I said before, think before you buy a car.
Over 20 years ago I used to return from work 7/8p and had to park several doors up even on weekends I could not always park outside my own house. So the next house we bought we made sure there was OSP.

Councils should not waste money or doing away with pretty good parking and spending thousands reigging it but as we get more EV's cars and vans, EV's points are a worthwhile investment for a greener, cleaner future. 

Section62

diystarter7 said:

Section62 said:

If the land is owned by the council housing department then it is a fairly obvious solution for the council to extend the parking area onto the grassed area to give more room to allow perpendicular parking. 

The bold bit. Why should I that has never lived in HA/council property/estate keep on paying for stuff like this?

When we had children, I wanted three but we knew we could only aford a three-bed house and the cost of rasing children so we had 2.

More recently I wanted to my my siblings 6 year old E class as he had it from new and looked after it but we did not because the car is about 8 inches too long for the drive.

When we bought our house/car we knew what the limitations of the property were.

Why should taxpayers keep on forking out for parking on estates?

I have to use public transport as do millions of others, why waste taxpayers' money on parking when it could be used to build/buy for the property.

I'm sorry but I'm fed up, seriously fed up working, paying taxes, paying for everything getting taxed and taxed again. There is no valid reason for the HA/council to waste hundreds of thousands on parking to make the area into a parking plot. ATM, it looks relatively ok. Not everyone will be happy on the estate losing green areas as not every household etc has a car.


My tip, if you are buying a EV, think about the charging and or parking before you buy it

NB: For the record, I'm not having a go at you and good luck but just saying how I feel and possibly many others like me.

As user1977 points out, you don't appear to understand how council budgets operate and how things are funded.

You appear to have some kind of issue with folks like the OP having the facilities that other people take for granted.  Your inability to park an "E class" on your driveway is irrelevant to the OP's situation.  I can understand your disappointment, but that's no justification for giving the OP wrong/poor quality advice, or having an indirect go at them.

daveyjp

Title is completely incorrect.  Its not a dropped kerb refusal, its refusal to construct a highway across Council owned land and I'm not surprised it was refused.

Section62

Brie said:

I think it might be easier to convince the council to put in charging points.  Of course there's no guarantee that a spot would be available when the OP comes home and nothing to stop any random ICE vehicle using them when the rest of the spots are taken. It's not like someone is going to come round and check that it's an EV rather than ICE taking up the space.

Councils will usually make the bay(s) served by an EV charging point "EV only".  In the OP's situation a bay in the car park could be regulated by an Off-street Parking Places order meaning it could be enforced using the Civil Enforcement process.  The council could carry out responsive enforcement sending a CEO round to check and issue a penalty if the OP (or a neighbour) reports misuse.

It is a requirement of schemes like the on-street one eddddy linked to earlier in the thread that the authority has effective measures in place to control the parking at EV charging points installed using that funding.  Similar rules apply to funding for EV points installed in off-street parking.

Section62

daveyjp said:

Title is completely incorrect.  Its not a dropped kerb refusal, its refusal to construct a highway across Council owned land and I'm not surprised it was refused.

The OP applied for a dropped kerb and the request was refused.  That part seems quite correct.

They wanted an access across council housing land.  That access wouldn't be highway, so the OP's version is more accurate than your alternative one.

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eddddy said:

maybeatr33 said:

Ive also got an EV so having a drive would be useful to charge that (I charge it at work mostly, but this would still be benifical). 

As an alternative, you could ask the council about converting those street lamps next to the parking places to add EV chargers. (But obviously, that won't increase the number of parking spaces.)




TBH, it's mainly done in cities at the moment, but there are Government grants available - so maybe your council wants to be leading edge.

See: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/grants-for-local-authorities-to-provide-residential-on-street-chargepoints/grants-to-provide-residential-on-street-chargepoints-for-plug-in-electric-vehicles-guidance-for-local-authorities

https://www.ubitricity.com/how-to-get-ev-charge-points-in-your-street/

The outlet with this is that unless you are getting billed through your home electricity supply at the standard rate, it's more expensive. We need a solution that doesn't disadvantage half the country.

NameUnavailable

Imagine if every house in that close asked for a drive/dropped kerb, that lovely green area would be a sea of tarmac and cars parked everywhere.

Ms_Chocaholic

Is that your back garden - if so what is round the front.

maybeatr33

Thanks all for the advice, so what Ill be doing is, ill be asking all the neighbours if they want the car park extented (the sentiment so far from people in the car park has been yes), if they fails ill try asking for an ev charger (which im more than happy to pay for out of my own pocket) . And to all thoes having a go at me for getting an ev without thinking about it, as i said i charge at work, ever since ive gotten the ev, ive only charged the car about 5-6 times outside of work unless its a long trip in which case i use motorway chargers.