Electric cars

Ibrahim5

What a load of rubbish. The bonnet should be lifted every week to check the oil. Dead easy to connect a ctek. I can't believe people are seriously considering a car with a range of 20 miles. Don't people go away for the weekend? Short breaks? Weddings? Funerals? Holidays. Just need a little petrol hatchback with £30 tax. Petrol much cheaper than the extra paid for an EV. Much more flexible. Imagine going 100 miles on a weekend break with a car with a 20 mile range. Complete nightmare.

Grumpy_chap

Ibrahim5 said:

What a load of rubbish. The bonnet should be lifted every week to check the oil. Dead easy to connect a ctek. 

You may be correct.
Not everyone has the same level of competence in things motor-vehicle as you do.
Some are sufficiently un-informed / unable to do these things, the only time the bonnet gets lifted is when the annual service comes around or the car breaks down and the AA / RAC or equivalent attend.

Ibrahim5

The other option is the ctek cigarette plug adapter. Would be crazy to buy an EV on the basis that you can't connect a ctek. I had a car that did 1000 miles a year. Had a connector permanently on battery so just plug ctek in. Can buy 2.5m extension so connection could be made without opening bonnet 

Herzlos

Just because you can't comprehend it doesn't mean it's not useful. 

Most of us would be fine with a 20 mile EV most of the time. If I had one it'd almost certainly accumulate more than my ICE.

Not all cigarette lighters have a permanent live feed to allow a trickle charger. 

Personally I think owning a car for someone who uses it infrequently enough that flat batteries is a regular thing is madness, but for those that insist,electric is going to be the better option.

Martyn1981

Herzlos said:

Just because you can't comprehend it doesn't mean it's not useful. 

Most of us would be fine with a 20 mile EV most of the time. If I had one it'd almost certainly accumulate more than my ICE.

Not all cigarette lighters have a permanent live feed to allow a trickle charger. 

Personally I think owning a car for someone who uses it infrequently enough that flat batteries is a regular thing is madness, but for those that insist,electric is going to be the better option.

Yeah, there has to come a point where taxi's (for example) are cheaper, than the cost of owning a car. Of course, got to be a PEV taxi. 

Herzlos

Martyn1981 said:

Herzlos said:

Just because you can't comprehend it doesn't mean it's not useful. 

Most of us would be fine with a 20 mile EV most of the time. If I had one it'd almost certainly accumulate more than my ICE.

Not all cigarette lighters have a permanent live feed to allow a trickle charger. 

Personally I think owning a car for someone who uses it infrequently enough that flat batteries is a regular thing is madness, but for those that insist,electric is going to be the better option.

Yeah, there has to come a point where taxi's (for example) are cheaper, than the cost of owning a car. Of course, got to be a PEV taxi. 

I actually think a lot of people would be better off with taxis and public transport, but owning a car is so engrained into their life.

When my parents retired, it took about 5 years of doing about 2k/year total for my dad to concede that they probably did only need 1 car. 
Almost all of their remaining mileage was under about 1 mile, so they'd have saved a fortune using busses and taxis. 

But I guess some people feel that they need the ability to travel across the country in the middle of the night with no notice and can't wait 20 mins for a taxi.

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Herzlos said:

Martyn1981 said:

Herzlos said:

Just because you can't comprehend it doesn't mean it's not useful. 

Most of us would be fine with a 20 mile EV most of the time. If I had one it'd almost certainly accumulate more than my ICE.

Not all cigarette lighters have a permanent live feed to allow a trickle charger. 

Personally I think owning a car for someone who uses it infrequently enough that flat batteries is a regular thing is madness, but for those that insist,electric is going to be the better option.

Yeah, there has to come a point where taxi's (for example) are cheaper, than the cost of owning a car. Of course, got to be a PEV taxi. 

I actually think a lot of people would be better off with taxis and public transport, but owning a car is so engrained into their life.

When my parents retired, it took about 5 years of doing about 2k/year total for my dad to concede that they probably did only need 1 car. 
Almost all of their remaining mileage was under about 1 mile, so they'd have saved a fortune using busses and taxis. 

But I guess some people feel that they need the ability to travel across the country in the middle of the night with no notice and can't wait 20 mins for a taxi.

Some people like to go for a drive. You can't do that with a Taxi and public transport is only feasible if you live in a city and only want to get about the said city.

Herzlos

Deleted_User said:

Herzlos said:

Martyn1981 said:

Herzlos said:

Just because you can't comprehend it doesn't mean it's not useful. 

Most of us would be fine with a 20 mile EV most of the time. If I had one it'd almost certainly accumulate more than my ICE.

Not all cigarette lighters have a permanent live feed to allow a trickle charger. 

Personally I think owning a car for someone who uses it infrequently enough that flat batteries is a regular thing is madness, but for those that insist,electric is going to be the better option.

Yeah, there has to come a point where taxi's (for example) are cheaper, than the cost of owning a car. Of course, got to be a PEV taxi. 

I actually think a lot of people would be better off with taxis and public transport, but owning a car is so engrained into their life.

When my parents retired, it took about 5 years of doing about 2k/year total for my dad to concede that they probably did only need 1 car. 
Almost all of their remaining mileage was under about 1 mile, so they'd have saved a fortune using busses and taxis. 

But I guess some people feel that they need the ability to travel across the country in the middle of the night with no notice and can't wait 20 mins for a taxi.

Some people like to go for a drive. You can't do that with a Taxi and public transport is only feasible if you live in a city and only want to get about the said city.

With congestion, road surfaces and fuel costs I'm not sure many folk just go for a drive these days.

We do with the kids sometimes, but I assume we're not the norm, and the driving part is almost always boring.

If I could get away with just taking the kids on a bus trip on a rainy day I probably would. 

I agree about the poor state of public transport, it's far from ideal.
I had to take my car to main dealers recently and it was a 20 minute drive from door to door, but took about 90 minutes via bus and the last bus was at 4pm which is awful.

Ignoring the fact that if I didn't own the car I wouldn't have needed to take it there, it'd have easily cost £40 for the taxi. But then I'm paying over £300/month before fuel so would have about £10/day in taxis before the car actually became cheaper 

Money_Grabber13579

Martyn1981 said:

Herzlos said:

Just because you can't comprehend it doesn't mean it's not useful. 

Most of us would be fine with a 20 mile EV most of the time. If I had one it'd almost certainly accumulate more than my ICE.

Not all cigarette lighters have a permanent live feed to allow a trickle charger. 

Personally I think owning a car for someone who uses it infrequently enough that flat batteries is a regular thing is madness, but for those that insist,electric is going to be the better option.

Yeah, there has to come a point where taxi's (for example) are cheaper, than the cost of owning a car. Of course, got to be a PEV taxi. 

What’s a PEV taxi? Everyone seems to use different acronyms now which doesn’t help to know what anyone is then talking about. The most common ones seem to be BEV (battery electric vehicle), ICE (internal combustion engine), PHEV (petrol hybrid electric vehicle) but no idea what PEV is. Plug-in electric vehicle? Petrol engined vehicle?

Bigwheels1111

Them main battery is not much of an issue even with low milage, it’s the standard 12v car battery that will be an issue too you.
If it goes flat just like an ice car, your EV won’t turn on.
With the low milage your looking at it could be near free driving if you have a Tesco or Sainsburys near you with free charging.
My friend charges his MG Zs EV at Sainsburys twice a week for 4 hours each time.
Thats a full charge and 150 miles free driving a week.