Increasing costs of EV Charging

grumiofoundation

Freecall said:

grumiofoundation said:

There are free 22 kW chargers in supermarket car parks. 

I have never seen a supermarket charger less than 7 kW. 

You clearly have some generous supermarkets where you are if they are giving unlimited 22kW supplies.

Also, remember that few EV's are equipped with 22kW chargers anyway so unless you are saying that the shops provide free 22kW DC supplies they would not be able to exploit the generous offer.  If they do then please let us all know where they are.

Not limited to one area of the country... (also not difficult to find the information even if you have never used)
 https://pod-point.com/rollout/tesco-ev-charging

22kw Type 2 menekes AC - Connect using own cable 

ComicGeek

Freecall said:

grumiofoundation said:

There are free 22 kW chargers in supermarket car parks. 

I have never seen a supermarket charger less than 7 kW. 

You clearly have some generous supermarkets where you are if they are giving unlimited 22kW supplies.

Also, remember that few EV's are equipped with 22kW chargers anyway so unless you are saying that the shops provide free 22kW DC supplies they would not be able to exploit the generous offer.  If they do then please let us all know where they are.

I believe it's a specific tie up between Tescos and Podpoint, all the Tescos around here have free 22kW chargers. 

My EV only charges to 11kW on DC anyway, but 11 is still better than 7!

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As public charging gets more expensive, houses without driveways are going to drop in value relative to those with them. Not having a driveway will cost you thousands a year.

MacPingu1986

Rigoleth - houses with driveways typically already sell at a premium - if they do fall in value, what's the problem? They'll be more attractive to home-owners without cars, or those who use their cars for less mileage than average.... and that in turn will reduce demand for houses with home-charging for those doing big mileage.

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MacPingu1986 said:

Rigoleth - houses with driveways typically already sell at a premium - if they do fall in value, what's the problem? They'll be more attractive to home-owners without cars, or those who use their cars for less mileage than average.... and that in turn will reduce demand for houses with home-charging for those doing big mileage.

Unlikely I think.. As ever, inequality will increase. That's how the UK works.

[Deleted User]

Even lower end EVs have ranges of over 200 miles so one rapid charge a week will suffice for many. So at home charging is not necessary. 

Martyn1981

Herzlos said:

Grey_Critic said:

Do electric vehicles produce more tyre and brake pollution than their petrol and diesel equivalents?

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/running/do-electric-vehicles-produce-more-tyre-and-brake-pollution-than-petrol-and/

From your own link, the answer is no:

"So, in conclusion, electric vehicles already vastly reduce particulate matter from brake wear, and claims of tyre wear contributing 1,000 times the particulate matter pollution of petrol and diesel exhausts are greatly overexaggerated. Real EV fleets are already seeing brake lifespans increased fourfold versus the diesel vehicles they have replaced, and tyre wear that is broadly on par with petrol and diesel cars (unless, as like with any vehicle, the drivers get a bit throttle happy!)."

Did you read it to the end?

Hiya. What I 'love' the most about the tyre wear calculations, that got published all over the World, is that nobody thought to check the maths, they just ran with it, pushed the negatives, yet, as the article referenced points out, the numbers are ridiculous:

A typical 16” family car tyre weighs around 9 kg, so four of them on a vehicle gives a total weight of 36 kg. That’s not just the tread, but the full tyres. If a car did shed 9.28 grams of particulate matter per mile from the tyres, then the car tyres would physically disappear – and the car would be running on its alloys – in less than 4,000 miles. 

In reality, the tread of a tyre is about 35% of the tyre’s total weight, so the tyres would be bald in less than 1,358 miles, or two months’ worth of driving for the average UK driver. 

I believe that the person that checked the numbers and came to the conclusion that the 'study' was ridiculous, suggested that those involved probably measured the amount of tyre material thrown up behind the car's wheels, and simply assumed that it had come from the car, not the road.

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Deleted_User said:

Even lower end EVs have ranges of over 200 miles so one rapid charge a week will suffice for many. So at home charging is not necessary. 

Only if you enjoy paying silly money for your electricity.

[Deleted User]

Still cheaper than fossil. Over £100 to fill an average family car I believe. 

Even at 57 pence a kw it works out a heck of a lot cheaper per mile. 

Petriix

Deleted_User said:

Still cheaper than fossil. Over £100 to fill an average family car I believe. 

Even at 57 pence a kw it works out a heck of a lot cheaper per mile. 

At 3.5 miles per kWh, 57p/kWh works out at 16.3p per mile. That's almost exactly equivalent to 50 miles per gallon at £1.80 a litre. It's also over 10 times the price many of us are paying to charge at home.