Increasing costs of EV Charging

Grumpy_chap

I'd wager a big amount of money that the difference in capital costs for fast or ultrafast chargers infrastructure very soon pales to insignificant.

Car_54

Grumpy_chap said:

The equivalent to a slow charger would be for me to fill my car at the petrol pump but then keep the car there for another 1/2 hour while I wait for the check-out transaction to complete.  No business in their right mind would want me hogging that valuable pump space for any longer than necessary.  The same logic must apply to the valuable parking space at a charge point.

Unless of course you were doing a grocery shop, or having coffee and doughnuts, which seems to be the current business model.

Grumpy_chap

But the grocery shopping model is free charging as a loss-leader.  Also very slow.

I was really referencing commercially operated public charge points as a dedicated unit.

Robbo66

Petriix said:

I made some fairly extensive use of free supermarket charging while in the limbo between Symbio going bust (fixed at 12p per kWh) and getting onto Octopus Go at 5p off-peak about 4 months later. That involved leaving the car charging for a few hours at a time while going off and doing something else (after buying something in store). It pays to check the parking conditions in detail.

Public (particularly rapid) charging has really gone through the roof recently so I wouldn't currently advise anyone who would be doing all/most of their charging at paid public chargers to switch to EV.

Home charging, however, even at the current 7.5p per kWh works out at just 2p per mile. A 50% increase on next-to-nothing is still next-to-nothing. 

And there in lies the problem with EV cars and public charging, EV owner pulls up. plugs in, pops in to shop and buys something, loaf of bread or pint milk then goes off to do something else for 3 hours this blocking that charging point and stopping someone else from using it. Doent matter how much you can or cant save over ICE if points are constantly blocked by selfish individuals with an I'm alright Jack attitude.

Keep_pedalling

Robbo66 said:

Petriix said:

I made some fairly extensive use of free supermarket charging while in the limbo between Symbio going bust (fixed at 12p per kWh) and getting onto Octopus Go at 5p off-peak about 4 months later. That involved leaving the car charging for a few hours at a time while going off and doing something else (after buying something in store). It pays to check the parking conditions in detail.

Public (particularly rapid) charging has really gone through the roof recently so I wouldn't currently advise anyone who would be doing all/most of their charging at paid public chargers to switch to EV.

Home charging, however, even at the current 7.5p per kWh works out at just 2p per mile. A 50% increase on next-to-nothing is still next-to-nothing. 

And there in lies the problem with EV cars and public charging, EV owner pulls up. plugs in, pops in to shop and buys something, loaf of bread or pint milk then goes off to do something else for 3 hours this blocking that charging point and stopping someone else from using it. Doent matter how much you can or cant save over ICE if points are constantly blocked by selfish individuals with an I'm alright Jack attitude.

But these are not rapid chargers and they are not designed for a quick to-up. A 15-30 min charge on one of these chargers will get you just 6-15 miles. Their is no problem with using these for longer periods. The etiquette for rapids is very different. 

Grey_Critic

I see that EV owners are asking for VAT to be reduced due to the increase in the cost of electric. Welcome to the real world - there is a report out that suggests EVs are more polluting than Petrol/Diesel from Rubber Dust and suggests they should be taxed accordingly

DrEskimo

Grey_Critic said:

I see that EV owners are asking for VAT to be reduced due to the increase in the cost of electric. Welcome to the real world - there is a report out that suggests EVs are more polluting than Petrol/Diesel from Rubber Dust and suggests they should be taxed accordingly

Got a link?

How can they be more polluting if internal combustion cars have tyre and brake wear as well as exhaust emissions??

Tyre wear when compared with equivalent internal combustion car is barely any different (I'm still on original tyres 18,500 miles on) and brake wear is dramatically reduced due to regenerative braking.

I'll wait for your link, but I'm going to guess it's not a report at all. Just typical click bait nonsense from a red top rag....

Jenni_D

Grey_Critic said:

I see that EV owners are asking for VAT to be reduced due to the increase in the cost of electric.

But ICEV owners have received a 5p / litre reduction in fuel duty due to the increased cost of fuel - why shouldn't EV owners be afforded the same courtesy?

(Notwithstanding the fact that the reduction has been swallowed up by profiteering - which applies equally for electricity. In theory EV owners are getting a reduction per the gov payments, but that isn't targeted exclusively for EVs).

Grey_Critic

Do electric vehicles produce more tyre and brake pollution than their petrol and diesel equivalents?

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/running/do-electric-vehicles-produce-more-tyre-and-brake-pollution-than-petrol-and/

Keep_pedalling

Grey_Critic said:

Do electric vehicles produce more tyre and brake pollution than their petrol and diesel equivalents?

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-cars/running/do-electric-vehicles-produce-more-tyre-and-brake-pollution-than-petrol-and/

That report totally debunks the claim that EVs are more polluting that your previous post suggested.