Living in ULEZ with a non compliant car

DB1904

facade said:

Car_54 said:

facade said:

The enforcement cameras will be at the edges of the ULEZ, so you can drive around as much as you want as long as you stay within it, so the bigger it is, the better.

I can't see anything in the consultation document to support that supposition. Can you?

I went on the press release about 750 new cameras going up to monitor entry into the ULEZ.

However you are right to question it, as Our Masters refuse to reveal any locations to an FOI request, and hint that they can use existing infrastructure like box junction & bus lane cameras etc. https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-0975-2122

I doubt if that is true, no evidence, just a gut feeling based on the complete failure to use existing infrastructure to catch untaxed, unMOTd & stolen vehicles, which you'd think would be trivial and potentially lucrative if they could negotiate even a 5% snitching fee with DVLA.

None of those would bring them any revenue where as non compliant vehicles would. I see every reason why they'd what to link in with there existing money making cameras.  

Bigwheels1111

I live on the boarders of the ULEZ and not needed to enter it since it’s enactment.
I was lucky back in 2016, I was after a C4 7 seater on a 15 plate.
I think it would have been a euro 5 diesel.
But got a 5008 66 plate with a euro 6 diesel, more luck than judgment.
It seems there are only 2 choices for people in the affected area, get a petrol or pay the fine.
If the government wanted less pollution there would be millions or EV cars and charging points on every street.
This is a fine pure and simple, just like the congestion charge.

Shakin_Steve

Yes, they finally got round to fining us for being poor.

Car_54

Bigwheels1111 said:

I live on the boarders of the ULEZ and not needed to enter it since it’s enactment.
I was lucky back in 2016, I was after a C4 7 seater on a 15 plate.
I think it would have been a euro 5 diesel.
But got a 5008 66 plate with a euro 6 diesel, more luck than judgment.
It seems there are only 2 choices for people in the affected area, get a petrol or pay the fine.
If the government wanted less pollution there would be millions or EV cars and charging points on every street.
This is a fine pure and simple, just like the congestion charge.

It's got nothing to do with the government: it's the Mayor of London.

Several more than two choices - walk, cycle, electric car, public transport ...

Emmia

Bigwheels1111 said:

I live on the boarders of the ULEZ and not needed to enter it since it’s enactment.
I was lucky back in 2016, I was after a C4 7 seater on a 15 plate.
I think it would have been a euro 5 diesel.
But got a 5008 66 plate with a euro 6 diesel, more luck than judgment.
It seems there are only 2 choices for people in the affected area, get a petrol or pay the fine.
If the government wanted less pollution there would be millions or EV cars and charging points on every street.
This is a fine pure and simple, just like the congestion charge.

I'm not sure EVs are a total solution, really more journeys need to be done on foot, by bicycle or public transport, especially in places like London. 

We need fewer cars on the road, not replacing diesel/petrol with EVs and having the same number of cars.

Car_54

Emmia said:

Bigwheels1111 said:

I live on the boarders of the ULEZ and not needed to enter it since it’s enactment.
I was lucky back in 2016, I was after a C4 7 seater on a 15 plate.
I think it would have been a euro 5 diesel.
But got a 5008 66 plate with a euro 6 diesel, more luck than judgment.
It seems there are only 2 choices for people in the affected area, get a petrol or pay the fine.
If the government wanted less pollution there would be millions or EV cars and charging points on every street.
This is a fine pure and simple, just like the congestion charge.

I'm not sure EVs are a total solution, really more journeys need to be done on foot, by bicycle or public transport, especially in places like London. 

We need fewer cars on the road, not replacing diesel/petrol with EVs and having the same number of cars.

What  do you mean by "total solution"? What do you see as the "total problem"? What would fewer cars achieve?
The aim of the ULEZ extension is simply to improve air quality.

macman

Of course the government is involved. It was made quite clear to Khan that unless TfL proceeded to implement ULEZ as scheduled, then they would not receive the short term funding without which Tfl would have become insolvent last year.

Emmia

Car_54 said:

Emmia said:

Bigwheels1111 said:

I live on the boarders of the ULEZ and not needed to enter it since it’s enactment.
I was lucky back in 2016, I was after a C4 7 seater on a 15 plate.
I think it would have been a euro 5 diesel.
But got a 5008 66 plate with a euro 6 diesel, more luck than judgment.
It seems there are only 2 choices for people in the affected area, get a petrol or pay the fine.
If the government wanted less pollution there would be millions or EV cars and charging points on every street.
This is a fine pure and simple, just like the congestion charge.

I'm not sure EVs are a total solution, really more journeys need to be done on foot, by bicycle or public transport, especially in places like London. 

We need fewer cars on the road, not replacing diesel/petrol with EVs and having the same number of cars.

What  do you mean by "total solution"? What do you see as the "total problem"? What would fewer cars achieve?
The aim of the ULEZ extension is simply to improve air quality.

Fewer cars, less congestion, more road space for bicycles, better pavements for pedestrians, lower speeds... better safety, and health, and air quality.

EVs also create particulate pollutants as their tyres wear more quickly - so they're not pollution free.

Herzlos

Emmia said:

EVs also create particulate pollutants as their tyres wear more quickly - so they're not pollution free.

Because of the weight or the torque?

I don't think we'll ever get something with no emissions, but a tiny bit of tyre residue is nothing compared to exhaust fumes. Even bike tyres and trainer soles wear out. 

Emmia

Herzlos said:

Emmia said:

EVs also create particulate pollutants as their tyres wear more quickly - so they're not pollution free.

Because of the weight or the torque?

I don't think we'll ever get something with no emissions, but a tiny bit of tyre residue is nothing compared to exhaust fumes. Even bike tyres and trainer soles wear out. 

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