Private driveway

Trainerman

fisherjim said:

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The landowner should target the rogue trader not the community or this will not end well for you, the businesses, the flats or the community.

I could not agree more. Hits the nail bang on the head

patient_dream

fisherjim said:

All this because of one rogue car trader this has not been thought through at all.

The sales team at UKPC will have sold all the benefits to the landowner without any of the negatives being mentioned and their big hook in is "it's all free to the landowner including signage and camera installation, we only take the pcn revenue" which on 20 spaces won't be much without their normal scamming tactics believe us.

The landowner should target the rogue trader not the community or this will not end well for you, the businesses, the flats or the community.

This quote is from another thread on here where a land owner tried to get rid of a PPC because they were targeting even the land owner and staff at a community centre be warned:

When Tye demanded that the PPC withdraw from the site, he received a letter from the firm’s lawyers threatening court proceedings to recover ‘significant’ lost profits and legal costs.

Not fogetting ...

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/loggerheads-mold-car-park-fines-13774891

Once the new code and appeals service comes into play, that will be the time to seriously complain about those parking companies that are not fit for purpose..

Remember that Sir Greg and other MP's voiced that rogue operators would lose access to the DVLA and of course ATA's will not be immune to the sackings

Losing DVLA access will in turn mean that all the ANPR/CCTV installed will become redundant and no need to get out df dodgy contracts

And the BPA are right to say that many operators will go but probably not for the reason they think

DE_612183

Surely if it's a motor trader - the chances that the V5 doc info will be up to date will be pretty remote - so people who don't own the actual cars will get hassled? Gives the trader an incentive to work with the owner.

Coupon-mad

Yep I think they need to have a conversation whereby two spaces might be able to be rented.  Seems to work?

Lindsey006

The landowner does not want to rent spaces out unfortunately.

He is going to put up CCTV that would view the car park, and assures me my driveway is not going to be monitored he is only interested in the car park. It would be his own CCTV.
He remains keen to use UKPC to issue PCNs to people of his own choosing. He wants to be able to say it is UKPC issuing the PCN and not him.
He wants to target the motor trader and anyone who parks all day without using the local shops.
I am mostly at work during the day but any inconsiderate parking is unlikely, this would surely hardly be any income for UKPC. 

KeithP

Lindsey006 said:

...any inconsiderate parking is unlikely, this would surely hardly be any income for UKPC. 

And that is a very significant point.

Once UKPC, or any parking company, have their foot in the door, they will be looking at ways to increase their income.
That of course will be looking in your direction too.

We've seen it happen at residential car parks where chancers park all day when there are no checks. A private parking company gets introduced and these chancers stop parking there - the PPC's income stream vanishes. Next thing that happens is the PPC looks for ways to make money from legitimate parkers.

Be very careful.

Coupon-mad

UKPC won't operate like that.  They can't even legally view his CCTV, that would be a DPA breach.

Lindsey006

There will be a visiting foot patrol, who would arrive at random times in addition, sorry should have said that, as well.

Umkomaas

He should be looking at a self ticketing option - that way, as long as he doesn't become tyrannical, fuelled by little bonuses from the PPC for each ticket issued or paid, he will have complete control. He will need to insist that he sees every appeal and has the overarching right to cancel any charge at any time, without any PPC penalty on him. 

He needs to make sure the contract is very tight and weighted his way. I'm sure the forum might help to fine tune any draft contract. The PPC would love that! 😄

Fruitcake

I agree that the landowner needs to make the contract as tight as a duck's bum or his whole venture will turn to ash, and that's being polite.
I think that either the PPC will refuse to sign up, or will ignore the contract.

Whilst I have every sympathy for the landowner, I think he is naïve if he thinks UKPC will make things better.