Thinking for car change

Ibrahim5

It has everything to do with the OP. If he buys an electric car for £5k the maximum loss from depreciation is £2k. How easy is it to get the £3k? Important question. Do you have to get it to a specialist company in the Netherlands? Who gives you £3k?

CKhalvashi

ontheroad1970 said:

Ibrahim5 said:

OK so you have an old EV sat on the drive that you can't get anywhere because the battery is dead. Who do you phone up to take it away and give you £3K? The local scrapyard? Specialist scrapyard?

This is getting tiresome.  This has nothing to do with the OP whatsoever. Fred, if you'd like to debate battery issues, perhaps you should open a new thread on it instead of derailing yet another thread.

Admins, I would report this but you've gone down the avenue of multiple choice buttons rather than actually give a comment box and there isn't a relevant button.  So it's self defeating. 

You can pop an email if that's easier to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com.

I did this before commenting on a post when there could have been a conflict of interest a few months back to get the ok.

Ibrahim5

If you aren't interested in a thread you just ignore it. If no one posts that's the end of it. You can't just say a non functional item is worth £3k without saying who wants to pay £3k for it 

Martyn1981

ontheroad1970 said:

Ibrahim5 said:

OK so you have an old EV sat on the drive that you can't get anywhere because the battery is dead. Who do you phone up to take it away and give you £3K? The local scrapyard? Specialist scrapyard?

This is getting tiresome.  This has nothing to do with the OP whatsoever. Fred, if you'd like to debate battery issues, perhaps you should open a new thread on it instead of derailing yet another thread.

Admins, I would report this but you've gone down the avenue of multiple choice buttons rather than actually give a comment box and there isn't a relevant button.  So it's self defeating. 

Can I just say that whilst this doesn't help this thread, nor the frustration of a troll posting silly comments on here, there is some very positive news.

All of the longer EV/BEV threads get a lot of trolling, but it's of an extremely low quality, such as on here where it's pointed out that a working BEV with a degraded battery has value as second life stationary storage.* The best that the troll can come up with is to repeatedly claim the battery doesn't work at all.

My takeaway, is that if that's the best they've got, then BEV's must be even better than I thought. I've seen trolling, or been trolled for around 10yrs on green issues, but it's typically clever and with a spin twist on reality. But with BEV's, the trolling is always pathetically stupid. In fact I was so 'impressed' by the stupidity of BEV trolls about 3-5yrs ago, and their inability to see what is so obvious and simple, that I pondered if the majority of the population, and more importantly stock market analysts, where also missing the bigger picture. Without that revelation I probably wouldn't now own a new Tesla instead of an 8yr old Leaf.

So take heart from the trolls, once you've inverted their position and beliefs, you often get some really good advice. Over the last 10yrs on MSE I've been lucky enough to find 3 guys blessed with the sadiM Touch.  


*Great thread on the now sadly defunct Navitron site, where a bod showed the whole build of his home battery system from a written off Leaf batt. Looked gorgeous, was about 20kWh, probably 6-8yrs ago.

Grumpy_chap

Using a degraded EV battery for home storage is an attractive idea, but I assume it is not as simple as taking it out of the EV and bolting it to the wall and plugging in?

ontheroad1970

vikt1 said:

I'm looking for a better economy, if possible. My current car is 2012 Ford Fiesta Zetec petrol 1.25/80BHP and for the last year I did 7500 miles with combined 48.3 MPG. I need to mention I'm trying to be economical as possible (driving with 60 mph on the motorway, changing gears at 2000 rpm) Using the car mainly for commuting (80 miles per week, 50 of them on motorway). My budget is around £5000, but if the investment would be beneficial for me in terms of saving from fuel costs, I'm willing to spend more. I can sell my current car for around £5000 (according to websites, it has 52000 miles). I can get £4000 from "webuyanycar" and I think would get 4500 with part exchange.

@Ibrahim5.  This is what the thread is about.  The thread isn't about the distracting things you add.  Ues, there are some useful posts about the why's and wherefores of EV, but all of these are not of use to the OP.  

Ibrahim5

So to get the £3k you have to sell it to someone who is making a battery for their house? Surely it's a reasonable question to ask where the £3k is coming from?

Ergates

Ibrahim5 said:

So to get the £3k you have to sell it to someone who is making a battery for their house? Surely it's a reasonable question to ask where the £3k is coming from?

You put the car under you pillow and the battery fairy comes at takes it away and leaves you £3000 in 50ps.

It would be a reasonable question if you either had a BEV that was reaching the end of it's usable life as a vehicle, or knew where to get one for less than the potential 2nd hand value of the battery.   However, neither of those is the case - either for you or for anyone else in this tread.  If they were the case you'd have plenty of time to find out - batteries don't just suddenly lose range, the degrade slowly over time.

So, as it stands, its about as relevant as asking "What do I do with the old oil I've drained from my car after an oil change" to this thread.

ontheroad1970

Ibrahim5 said:

So to get the £3k you have to sell it to someone who is making a battery for their house? Surely it's a reasonable question to ask where the £3k is coming from?

The question the OP is asking is:

They (I suspect that they are a female, not that it matters) have a 10 year old car and are wondering whether to trade it in or not.  They have shown no particular interest in EV, because new models are out of their budget.  

The simple answer has been given pages and pages ago:  I think that they can stick with the car they have for a few more years yet.  I wouldn't be buying anything at 5k when you have a car you know to be working well already, and there isn't really anything much better just a little more than that budget.  In the OP's position I would stick with what they have until the market settles down and put aside some money each month that can be used for any maintenance or if not needed, towards the next car.  

This is in line with what you, Fred, would normally agree with, however you've decided to turn the thread into an anti EV tirade.  

Herzlos

Ibrahim5 said:

So to get the £3k you have to sell it to someone who is making a battery for their house? Surely it's a reasonable question to ask where the £3k is coming from?

Just to provide an answer to anyone who actually cars about it and isn't just trolling.

Once we actually get to the point where there are unusable EV batteries (we're getting there, but not yet), and industry will quickly appear around people who'll recondition the battery and/or turn that battery into home energy storage. They'll almost certainly take the car away, take the battery out, and return a working car or a storage battery.

In the mean time, you'd probably need to sell it to a scrap yard who'll sit on it until they can do something with it. Exactly like if your engine failed at home.