Thinking for car change

Ibrahim5

Herzlos said:

Ibrahim5 said:

30 miles and decreasing all the time. Well worth the £5k then. And then pay for a new battery? Can't wait to have one of these super duper money saving machine

Like I said, even 20 miles range is enough for most people and could save them a lot of money. I wouldn't want one with less than 10 miles range, though.

A bicycle is much cheaper if it can't go any further than that.

Grumpy_chap

Ibrahim5 said:

Herzlos said:

Ibrahim5 said:

30 miles and decreasing all the time. Well worth the £5k then. And then pay for a new battery? Can't wait to have one of these super duper money saving machine

Like I said, even 20 miles range is enough for most people and could save them a lot of money. I wouldn't want one with less than 10 miles range, though.

A bicycle is much cheaper if it can't go any further than that.

But then you don't get a sticker on the side reading "zero emissions vehicle" and without that you can't smugly save the planet

grumiofoundation

Herzlos said:

Ibrahim5 said:

30 miles and decreasing all the time. Well worth the £5k then. And then pay for a new battery? Can't wait to have one of these super duper money saving machines.

Not by as much as you'd think. We don't know if this is typical of the car given the higher than average mileage, and the car only started with about 60 miles anyway. 

One of my staff has a 2014 (I think) Leaf that still does 80 miles and the newer ones will do 200ish.

Like I said, even 20 miles range is enough for most people and could save them a lot of money. I wouldn't want one with less than 10 miles range, though.

There is not really point responding to the poster, since they have demonstrated they are just going to make less and less logical comments.

On the plus side reduces the chance of anyone taking them seriously!

Ibrahim5

It's hard to believe in 2022 that people think that a car with a range of 10 miles before konking out is fine. Could have some exciting holidays.

Grumpy_chap

Thomas Cook's first excursion was from Leicester to Loughborough.  Even that was 11 miles.  

Ergates

Ibrahim5 said:

It's hard to believe in 2022 that people think that a car with a range of 10 miles before konking out is fine. Could have some exciting holidays.

Why would you take a car with a range of 10 miles on holiday?  That doesn't make sense.

If your main use of a car was to go to the supermarket once a week and it was 7 miles away and had a charging point though - why would you need greater range?

You seem a bit confused.

Ibrahim5

Why would you own a car with a range of 10 miles? That doesn't make sense. If the supermarket was your only destination get it delivered, or use a bike or a taxi.

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Don’t feed the troll. He is obviously envious of those who can afford a nice quiet clean EV. 

Ergates

Ibrahim5 said:

Why would you own a car with a range of 10 miles? That doesn't make sense. If the supermarket was your only destination get it delivered, or use a bike or a taxi.

The *average* car journey in the UK is 8.4 miles and about 58% of car journeys are less than 5 miles and 79% are less than 10.  This means that a vehicle with a range of 10 miles would be able to cover the majority of car journeys made and a vehicle with a range of 25-30 miles (like the actual vehicle that started this line of thought) easily so.

DoT data for 2020 below:

2020	Cumulative percentage
Main mode	Under 1 mile	Under 2 miles	Under 5 miles	Under 10 miles	Under 25 miles	Under 50 miles	Under 100 miles	All lengths
Private:
Walk1	63	93	100	100	100	100	100	100
Bicycle	14	36	69	87	100	100	100	100
Car / van driver	6	24	58	79	94	98	99	100
Car / van passenger	6	25	61	79	93	97	99	100
Motorcycle	23	27	52	61	92	100	100	100
Other private transport2	16	34	59	82	94	97	99	100

Cross_Man

I am not sure that this is about being able to afford (or not) an EV.  The comments about the very short range are connected to a specific car for sale at present:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203253938313

The seller has stated in the advert "Battery still provides about 25-30 miles range" which is, at least, honest that the car has limited use profiles.

 AIUI, that battery range will not increase as the car continues to age.  I'd be more than glad if someone showed that there is a way to recondition the battery.  With 25-mile range, you'd not be wanting to go more than around 10 miles each way.  That will be sufficient for a specific sector of urban dwellers who truly only need a car for local trips to shopping, school run etc.  It is not likely to be suitable for that many as an only car.

 The car in question is 2011 car with 112.5k miles.  Not where you would expect the car to be at end-of-life.

 The question as to whether it is sensible to have £4.5k tied in a car plus the other costs of running a car for such restricted very local use has to be asked.  Would it be more money-saving to use public transport, the odd UBER, walk, cycle?  Given this is a car that is only suited to use in very restricted urban areas anyway, the alternatives may be more cost-effective and more environmentally friendly.

 Perhaps others can shed more light on whether the battery can be reconditioned rather than replaced and / or the costs of battery replacement.

 I also genuinely ask whether the reduced battery capacity affects running costs.  Does the battery still need the full amount of charge to be loaded to only gain the benefit of the reduced range?

The solution to short car journeys as mentioned in the table above can't be an EV instead of an ICE but an alternative form of transport entirely.  Exceptions for those physically unable to use alternative transportation.