How much energy does the EON IHD use?

Scrounger

SAC2334 said:
As a former meter reader I got sick of householders taking me to see their IHD s when I asked to read their  meter ! 

Scrounger said:

SAC2334 said:

 As a former meter reader I got sick of householder s taking me to see their IHD s when I asked to read their {smart} meter ! 

Why would a meter reader frequently need to read smart meters?

I am able read my smart meters using the IHD* (Geo Trio II) so maybe your customers were not as stupid as you make out. 


Scrounger

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Who said anything about "frequently " reading smart meters? . 
 All meters have to be safety checked including smart meters .When I was on the job BG had got it down to 5 years visit for smart meters
.Nowadays all suppliers have been given the choice to inspect a meter anytime they think a meter inspection is needed with no time limit .
Even smart meters can be bypassed .

Only that if somebody was to get 'sick of doing something' it suggests that it that is something that is done fairly often?

And if the customer had an IHD then they would usually have a smart meter?

You would think that the meters would now be smart enough these days to detect tampering (though perhaps linking together terminals 1 & 4 would be difficult for it to detect if the terminal cover was not disturbed).

Scrounger

Zandoni

Ultrasonic said:

Zandoni said:

The IHD is simply not accurate enough to notice the energy used by tiny power supplies, it will use a tiny amount just like any other small power supply you may have.

That's rather an argument to not worry about the power use. I bet we're talking <0.5 W.

I see you're discounting any value of an IHD without having tried one. I made the same mistake.

I really can’t see any benefit of me having a smart meter, I already know which appliances use more power and I don’t leave anything on that isn’t necessary. I completely understand how I’m billed and the my use is pretty constant so the occasional estimated bill is pretty accurate. 

I’ve worked for twenty years in the gas meter industry and I strongly hate the fact that perfectly good meters are being scrapped to fit smart meters, especially when the first versions didn’t allow switching.
I’m not a Luddite as I love technology, but I can’t help thinking Smart meters have been introduced without the proper controls.

sebtomato

Zandoni said:

Ultrasonic said:

Zandoni said:

The IHD is simply not accurate enough to notice the energy used by tiny power supplies, it will use a tiny amount just like any other small power supply you may have.

That's rather an argument to not worry about the power use. I bet we're talking <0.5 W.

I see you're discounting any value of an IHD without having tried one. I made the same mistake.

I really can’t see any benefit of having a smart meter, I already know which appliances use more power and I don’t leave anything on that isn’t necessary. I completely understand how I’m billed and the my use is pretty constant so the occasional estimated bill is pretty accurate. 

I’ve worked for twenty years in the gas meter industry and I strongly hate the fact that perfectly good meters are being scrapped to fit smart meters, especially when the first versions didn’t allow switching.
I’m not a Luddite as I love technology, but I can’t help thinking Smart meters have been introduced without the proper controls.

Well, I think there is benefit in having meter readings sent automatically to the energy supplier, to avoid estimates or manual readings.

Also, in my case, I can't unplug some appliances and measure the amount of electricity they use between the appliance and socket, so the only way to have some indications is a smart meter. It helps identify expensive appliances or behaviours, and possibly make positive changes. That assuming of course people bother to do some analysis, but most won't. People just expect to be told what to do.

Sea_Shell

Just as an aside, and didn't want to start a new thread...

Our Eon IHD updated with our new rates this morning, which came into force yesterday!!   I was expecting to have to wait ages going by some reports from others (not necessarily Eon)

They are a ever so slightly wrong (eg 44.74p rather than 44.75p) but accurate enough to give me scary numbers going forwards!!!

It must have updated in two stages though, as the gas first thing was still showing the old daily standing charge, but it's all now updated by 7am, but hadn't "backdated" the charge for today.   It'll be "accurate" from tomorrow.  

Zandoni

sebtomato said:

Zandoni said:

Ultrasonic said:

Zandoni said:

The IHD is simply not accurate enough to notice the energy used by tiny power supplies, it will use a tiny amount just like any other small power supply you may have.

That's rather an argument to not worry about the power use. I bet we're talking <0.5 W.

I see you're discounting any value of an IHD without having tried one. I made the same mistake.

I really can’t see any benefit of having a smart meter, I already know which appliances use more power and I don’t leave anything on that isn’t necessary. I completely understand how I’m billed and the my use is pretty constant so the occasional estimated bill is pretty accurate. 

I’ve worked for twenty years in the gas meter industry and I strongly hate the fact that perfectly good meters are being scrapped to fit smart meters, especially when the first versions didn’t allow switching.
I’m not a Luddite as I love technology, but I can’t help thinking Smart meters have been introduced without the proper controls.

Well, I think there is benefit in having meter readings sent automatically to the energy supplier, to avoid estimates or manual readings.

Also, in my case, I can't unplug some appliances and measure the amount of electricity they use between the appliance and socket, so the only way to have some indications is a smart meter. It helps identify expensive appliances or behaviours, and possibly make positive changes. That assuming of course people bother to do some analysis, but most won't. People just expect to be told what to do.

I’m pleased it works for you as long as you are carrying out your power consumption tests properly.
I personally have a smart house with many smart plugs and bulbs, I know that these devices use a small amount of power but I love the convenience.

Ultrasonic

Zandoni said:

Ultrasonic said:

Zandoni said:

The IHD is simply not accurate enough to notice the energy used by tiny power supplies, it will use a tiny amount just like any other small power supply you may have.

That's rather an argument to not worry about the power use. I bet we're talking <0.5 W.

I see you're discounting any value of an IHD without having tried one. I made the same mistake.

I really can’t see any benefit of me having a smart meter, I already know which appliances use more power and I don’t leave anything on that isn’t necessary. I completely understand how I’m billed and the my use is pretty constant so the occasional estimated bill is pretty accurate. 

I said pretty much the same before getting a smart meter. I have though found benefits, from the basic of it being easier for me to read my meters for my own records, to the instantaneous electricity display very occasionally helping me spot I've left something on unnecessarily. Seeing daily energy use can also help people be more mindful of what they use I think but equally if in the current climate this will be a source of stress then I can see a logic to switch them off to avoid this.

My IHD has also given me a way to be more confident of the power use of some items (e.g. the saving in energy from switching WiFi off on my router when I don't need it). An IHD can of course just be turned on for the period when any such testing is desired rather than being left on permanently.

In summary, I don't think IHDs are universally pointless and I think it's a mistake to completely dismiss them without having ever tried one.

(Arguments for smart meters are a separate discussion which I'll leave for other threads.)

nologo

It's 0.6 of a watt 
As measured by my plug in device.

Mstty

Sea_Shell said:

Just as an aside, and didn't want to start a new thread...

Our Eon IHD updated with our new rates this morning, which came into force yesterday!!   I was expecting to have to wait ages going by some reports from others (not necessarily Eon)

They are a ever so slightly wrong (eg 44.74p rather than 44.75p) but accurate enough to give me scary numbers going forwards!!!

It must have updated in two stages though, as the gas first thing was still showing the old daily standing charge, but it's all now updated by 7am, but hadn't "backdated" the charge for today.   It'll be "accurate" from tomorrow.  

Hope that's standing charge and not kWh for electricity otherwise revery to standard variable tariffs asap

Mstty

nologo said:

It's 0.6 of a watt 
As measured by my plug in device.

Roughly £1.50 a year then (mind you my calculations have been a bit off this morning?)

Sea_Shell

Mstty said:

Sea_Shell said:

Just as an aside, and didn't want to start a new thread...

Our Eon IHD updated with our new rates this morning, which came into force yesterday!!   I was expecting to have to wait ages going by some reports from others (not necessarily Eon)

They are a ever so slightly wrong (eg 44.74p rather than 44.75p) but accurate enough to give me scary numbers going forwards!!!

It must have updated in two stages though, as the gas first thing was still showing the old daily standing charge, but it's all now updated by 7am, but hadn't "backdated" the charge for today.   It'll be "accurate" from tomorrow.  

Hope that's standing charge and not kWh for electricity otherwise revery to standard variable tariffs asap

Don't worry, yes that's the electricity SC!!

Each part of the tariff is out by 0.01p other than the gas unit rate.