Standby power consumption

Ultrasonic

Cardew said:

Ultrasonic said:

The only real complication is that every household has a different mix of devices.

I don't know why some are so keen to just totally dismiss what really aren't crazy numbers. Whatever the figure for an individual household, there is some scope for money saving if people really want to.

Well IMO some numbers are crazy; the TV standby figure harks back to the days when all the valves in the set had heaters!

The problem is that some people think all they have to do is switch off the TV at the socket to drastically reduce their electricity bills and they don't concentrate on other savings e.g. always filling the kettle.

I have lost count of the number of posts complaining about high consumption that state ' and I always switch off the TV at the socket'

All I've commented on is the total cost one that was highlighted above. I've not read the BBC article.

Edit: you make a good point about not being distracted from bigger savings, and as I pointed out above switching off some TVs can be bad for them.

sandy700

Here's my usage every half hour for the past day from https://data.n3rgy.com/consumer/download-data

26/04/2022 00:00	0.041
26/04/2022 00:30	0.114
26/04/2022 01:00	0.132
26/04/2022 01:30	0.052
26/04/2022 02:00	0.035
26/04/2022 02:30	0.14
26/04/2022 03:00	0.167
26/04/2022 03:30	0.039
26/04/2022 04:00	0.026
26/04/2022 04:30	0.095
26/04/2022 05:00	0.129
26/04/2022 05:30	0.066
26/04/2022 06:00	0.074
26/04/2022 06:30	0.087
26/04/2022 07:00	0.057
26/04/2022 07:30	0.14
26/04/2022 08:00	0.101
26/04/2022 08:30	0.072
26/04/2022 09:00	0.132
26/04/2022 09:30	0.19
26/04/2022 10:00	0.144
26/04/2022 10:30	0.196
26/04/2022 11:00	0.127
26/04/2022 11:30	0.179
26/04/2022 12:00	0.138
26/04/2022 12:30	0.305
26/04/2022 13:00	0.15
26/04/2022 13:30	0.11
26/04/2022 14:00	0.095
26/04/2022 14:30	0.152
26/04/2022 15:00	0.146
26/04/2022 15:30	0.248
26/04/2022 16:00	0.21
26/04/2022 16:30	0.142
26/04/2022 17:00	0.503
26/04/2022 17:30	0.138
26/04/2022 18:00	0.131
26/04/2022 18:30	0.107
26/04/2022 19:00	0.109
26/04/2022 19:30	0.139
26/04/2022 20:00	0.119
26/04/2022 20:30	0.112
26/04/2022 21:00	0.111
26/04/2022 21:30	0.108
26/04/2022 22:00	0.258
26/04/2022 22:30	0.19
26/04/2022 23:00	0.133
26/04/2022 23:30	0.086

Mstty

sandy700 said:

Here's my usage every half hour for the past day from https://data.n3rgy.com/consumer/download-data

26/04/2022 00:00	0.041
26/04/2022 00:30	0.114
26/04/2022 01:00	0.132
26/04/2022 01:30	0.052
26/04/2022 02:00	0.035
26/04/2022 02:30	0.14
26/04/2022 03:00	0.167
26/04/2022 03:30	0.039
26/04/2022 04:00	0.026
26/04/2022 04:30	0.095
26/04/2022 05:00	0.129
26/04/2022 05:30	0.066
26/04/2022 06:00	0.074
26/04/2022 06:30	0.087
26/04/2022 07:00	0.057
26/04/2022 07:30	0.14
26/04/2022 08:00	0.101
26/04/2022 08:30	0.072
26/04/2022 09:00	0.132
26/04/2022 09:30	0.19
26/04/2022 10:00	0.144
26/04/2022 10:30	0.196
26/04/2022 11:00	0.127
26/04/2022 11:30	0.179
26/04/2022 12:00	0.138
26/04/2022 12:30	0.305
26/04/2022 13:00	0.15
26/04/2022 13:30	0.11
26/04/2022 14:00	0.095
26/04/2022 14:30	0.152
26/04/2022 15:00	0.146
26/04/2022 15:30	0.248
26/04/2022 16:00	0.21
26/04/2022 16:30	0.142
26/04/2022 17:00	0.503
26/04/2022 17:30	0.138
26/04/2022 18:00	0.131
26/04/2022 18:30	0.107
26/04/2022 19:00	0.109
26/04/2022 19:30	0.139
26/04/2022 20:00	0.119
26/04/2022 20:30	0.112
26/04/2022 21:00	0.111
26/04/2022 21:30	0.108
26/04/2022 22:00	0.258
26/04/2022 22:30	0.19
26/04/2022 23:00	0.133
26/04/2022 23:30	0.086

Seems good 5.5 ish kWh for the day, was that a normal day or no washing machine/no oven (if electric etc) £2.10-2.30 a day depending where you live including standing charge.

Is that after looking at energy saving such as turning things off, boiling only the water you need etc etc?

We are trying to get our average electricity consumption down to 8kWh a day average this summer. We both work from home so have a bit more electronics equipment on and 1.6 ish kWh of that is to heat the hot water each day in summer.

Effician

Mstty said:Seems good 5.5 ish kWh for the day, was that a normal day or no washing machine/no oven (if electric etc) £2.10-2.30 a day depending where you live including standing charge.

Is that after looking at energy saving such as turning things off, boiling only the water you need etc etc?

We are trying to get our average electricity consumption down to 8kWh a day average this summer. We both work from home so have a bit more electronics equipment on and 1.6 ish kWh of that is to heat the hot water each day in summer.

We had a higher than normal day yesterday at 3.7kwh of electric , that included   2x  showers, 1 w/m load , 2 portion of chips in the 6l deep fat fryer ,6 mugs of coffee, laptop on for 5hrs, 43" tv on for 7hrs, 4 rounds of toast cheese sandwiches , hot water for 1 drainer full of washing up, chest freezer & u/c larder fridge. 

On a quiet day we're under 2kwh & for the last 40 days we've averaged just under 3kwh/day , not bad as we're in most of the time.

Yes i do believe in vampires

Ultrasonic

QrizB said:

Ultrasonic said:

My own background power usage I referred to was for when the fridge-freezer compressor isn't running.

I can see I'll have to get up at dark o'clock sometime soon and see what my smart meter IHD says! Maybe at the weekend when I don't have to work the following day.

(It's easier in the winter months when the solar still hasn't kicked in at 8am  ...)

I just look first thing in the morning when I know I've not turned anything on (including lights) but this is easier/more reliable for me than many as I live on my own. This morning my IHD was showing 30 W at this time, which is with having spent time in the past checking standby/always on power usage and switching off more things. 

Mstty

@Effician that's pretty good.

We know where our extra spend comes from our tumble dryer uses between 1.7kW-2kW when it's on in total and we tend to leave an echo on in each room, the nest WiFi system and running an extra freezer in an outbuilding. That and the garage gym and the electric heater that pops on to take off the chill taking another 1kW total.

sandy700

Mstty said:

sandy700 said:

Here's my usage every half hour for the past day from https://data.n3rgy.com/consumer/download-data

26/04/2022 00:00	0.041
26/04/2022 00:30	0.114
26/04/2022 01:00	0.132
26/04/2022 01:30	0.052
26/04/2022 02:00	0.035
26/04/2022 02:30	0.14
26/04/2022 03:00	0.167
26/04/2022 03:30	0.039
26/04/2022 04:00	0.026
26/04/2022 04:30	0.095
26/04/2022 05:00	0.129
26/04/2022 05:30	0.066
26/04/2022 06:00	0.074
26/04/2022 06:30	0.087
26/04/2022 07:00	0.057
26/04/2022 07:30	0.14
26/04/2022 08:00	0.101
26/04/2022 08:30	0.072
26/04/2022 09:00	0.132
26/04/2022 09:30	0.19
26/04/2022 10:00	0.144
26/04/2022 10:30	0.196
26/04/2022 11:00	0.127
26/04/2022 11:30	0.179
26/04/2022 12:00	0.138
26/04/2022 12:30	0.305
26/04/2022 13:00	0.15
26/04/2022 13:30	0.11
26/04/2022 14:00	0.095
26/04/2022 14:30	0.152
26/04/2022 15:00	0.146
26/04/2022 15:30	0.248
26/04/2022 16:00	0.21
26/04/2022 16:30	0.142
26/04/2022 17:00	0.503
26/04/2022 17:30	0.138
26/04/2022 18:00	0.131
26/04/2022 18:30	0.107
26/04/2022 19:00	0.109
26/04/2022 19:30	0.139
26/04/2022 20:00	0.119
26/04/2022 20:30	0.112
26/04/2022 21:00	0.111
26/04/2022 21:30	0.108
26/04/2022 22:00	0.258
26/04/2022 22:30	0.19
26/04/2022 23:00	0.133
26/04/2022 23:30	0.086

Seems good 5.5 ish kWh for the day, was that a normal day or no washing machine/no oven (if electric etc) £2.10-2.30 a day depending where you live including standing charge.

Is that after looking at energy saving such as turning things off, boiling only the water you need etc etc?

We are trying to get our average electricity consumption down to 8kWh a day average this summer. We both work from home so have a bit more electronics equipment on and 1.6 ish kWh of that is to heat the hot water each day in summer.

here is when I did the washing, I dried some of it in the tumble drier. I have a gas cooker.

25/04/2022 00:00	0.141
25/04/2022 00:30	0.094
25/04/2022 01:00	0.074
25/04/2022 01:30	0.105
25/04/2022 02:00	0.116
25/04/2022 02:30	0.037
25/04/2022 03:00	0.061
25/04/2022 03:30	0.079
25/04/2022 04:00	0.082
25/04/2022 04:30	0.069
25/04/2022 05:00	0.126
25/04/2022 05:30	0.161
25/04/2022 06:00	0.08
25/04/2022 06:30	0.089
25/04/2022 07:00	0.033
25/04/2022 07:30	0.047
25/04/2022 08:00	0.166
25/04/2022 08:30	0.097
25/04/2022 09:00	0.11
25/04/2022 09:30	0.214
25/04/2022 10:00	0.191
25/04/2022 10:30	0.584
25/04/2022 11:00	0.469
25/04/2022 11:30	0.209
25/04/2022 12:00	1.402
25/04/2022 12:30	0.969
25/04/2022 13:00	0.786
25/04/2022 13:30	0.162
25/04/2022 14:00	0.313
25/04/2022 14:30	1.118
25/04/2022 15:00	1.26
25/04/2022 15:30	0.301
25/04/2022 16:00	0.201
25/04/2022 16:30	0.168
25/04/2022 17:00	0.468
25/04/2022 17:30	0.486
25/04/2022 18:00	0.093
25/04/2022 18:30	0.129
25/04/2022 19:00	0.115
25/04/2022 19:30	0.131
25/04/2022 20:00	0.133
25/04/2022 20:30	0.133
25/04/2022 21:00	0.09
25/04/2022 21:30	0.13
25/04/2022 22:00	0.273
25/04/2022 22:30	0.138
25/04/2022 23:00	0.132
25/04/2022 23:30	0.131

jvjack

Mouldy olddough said Here we go again
BBC News - ‘Vampire devices’ cost UK households £147 a year

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61235367 
Incorrect facts
I am surprised that it doesn't accuse the in home display of costing £12 per year to run
I mean that's almost £3 a week or 10kWh a week - way out! 

I didnt read the BBC article when it was first pulished, But at the bottom today it says..

This piece has been amended to make clear that the £147 estimate was from British Gas research and to include figures from other bodies

I guess it has added this..
"The Energy Saving Trust (EST) said consumers need to consider which devices they leave switched on.
It estimates households would save around £55 per year by switching off all their devices when not in use."  Big difference there.

It also says "according to the EST, the average household has 41 electrical appliances"
41,  What would they be?

refluxer

Mstty said:

We know where our extra spend comes from our tumble dryer uses between 1.7kW-2kW when it's on in total and we tend to leave an echo on in each room, the nest WiFi system and running an extra freezer in an outbuilding. That and the garage gym and the electric heater that pops on to take off the chill taking another 1kW total.

An Echo Dot only uses a watt or two (whether in standby or playing) and I think the Nest Wi-fi routers/access points are around 4W each so, while the cost of having gadgets on permanently can obviously mount up, they obviously pale into insignificance compared to a tumble dryer or fridge freezer.

I'm now only using my tumble dryer when I need to dry something quickly, otherwise I'm making more of an effort to hang stuff up outside. This is all well and good during the (relatively) good spell of dry weather we're having or the summer months, but will definitely be a problem next winter.

I also discovered recently that my old fridge-freezer is costing around 71p/day to run (£260/year) so I'm currently looking into whether replacing it with a more efficient model would make sense. Keeping more than one fridge and freezer going will definitely be considered a luxury in future I think, if it isn't already.

Ultrasonic

jvjack said:

It also says "according to the EST, the average household has 41 electrical appliances"
41,  What would they be?

Note is just says 41 total electrical appliances, rather than 41 electrical appliances potentially plugged in and on all the time. It doesn't seem an unbelievably high number to me.