Instructor ripping off my niece?

DB1904

Car_54 said:

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

I think I now see this as typical accepted driver instructor behaviour. I have told her not to bother waisting her money on the instructor and I will teach her. I think having knowledge of the routes should just be an advantage. Someone ready for their test should be (in my view) confident in passing their test having never seen the roads they're driving

Oh dear.

A professional who knows how to get people through her test was doing this, and now someone unqualified as an instructor has decided that they know better.

Worse, rather than discussing it with your niece as an adult, you have “told her” that you will take over.

I genuinely feel sorry for your niece at this point.

You feel sorry for my niece that she has someone that cares about her life enough that he doesn't want to see her in situations she can't handle. That wants her to go into driving with the best chance of avoiding an accident as possible.

Makes sense 🤣

I feel sorry for her that now rather than a competent professional teaching her she's going to have an unqualified relative trying to do it, and that you thought it acceptable to be telling someone else's child what she had to do.

I wonder if there's something more going on here than you've said.

Nice try buddy but I'm pretty confident in my abilities, I love my niece, doesn't take a genius to work out she's a cash cow for this guy and anyone else who has someone "not professional" to help them on their journey to becoming a driver are lucky lucky people. Especially when the "professional" can't be bothered to do the job they're payed £28 an hour to do. 

The £28 (or whatever) is not the instructor's salary. By the time he's paid all his costs he's probably not much over minimum wage.

Really?

So working a 40 hour week with six weeks off what are the £33,000 costs?

mruncleman

DB1904 said:

Car_54 said:

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

I think I now see this as typical accepted driver instructor behaviour. I have told her not to bother waisting her money on the instructor and I will teach her. I think having knowledge of the routes should just be an advantage. Someone ready for their test should be (in my view) confident in passing their test having never seen the roads they're driving

Oh dear.

A professional who knows how to get people through her test was doing this, and now someone unqualified as an instructor has decided that they know better.

Worse, rather than discussing it with your niece as an adult, you have “told her” that you will take over.

I genuinely feel sorry for your niece at this point.

You feel sorry for my niece that she has someone that cares about her life enough that he doesn't want to see her in situations she can't handle. That wants her to go into driving with the best chance of avoiding an accident as possible.

Makes sense 🤣

I feel sorry for her that now rather than a competent professional teaching her she's going to have an unqualified relative trying to do it, and that you thought it acceptable to be telling someone else's child what she had to do.

I wonder if there's something more going on here than you've said.

Nice try buddy but I'm pretty confident in my abilities, I love my niece, doesn't take a genius to work out she's a cash cow for this guy and anyone else who has someone "not professional" to help them on their journey to becoming a driver are lucky lucky people. Especially when the "professional" can't be bothered to do the job they're payed £28 an hour to do. 

The £28 (or whatever) is not the instructor's salary. By the time he's paid all his costs he's probably not much over minimum wage.

Really?

So working a 40 hour week with six weeks off what are the £33,000 costs?

Nojimjames said:

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

I think I now see this as typical accepted driver instructor behaviour. I have told her not to bother waisting her money on the instructor and I will teach her. I think having knowledge of the routes should just be an advantage. Someone ready for their test should be (in my view) confident in passing their test having never seen the roads they're driving

Oh dear.

A professional who knows how to get people through her test was doing this, and now someone unqualified as an instructor has decided that they know better.

Worse, rather than discussing it with your niece as an adult, you have “told her” that you will take over.

I genuinely feel sorry for your niece at this point.

You feel sorry for my niece that she has someone that cares about her life enough that he doesn't want to see her in situations she can't handle. That wants her to go into driving with the best chance of avoiding an accident as possible.

Makes sense 🤣

Why not doing your training once she has passed? You can be the equivalent of Pass Plus

Don't fancy the pay cut

DB1904

mruncleman said:

DB1904 said:

Car_54 said:

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

I think I now see this as typical accepted driver instructor behaviour. I have told her not to bother waisting her money on the instructor and I will teach her. I think having knowledge of the routes should just be an advantage. Someone ready for their test should be (in my view) confident in passing their test having never seen the roads they're driving

Oh dear.

A professional who knows how to get people through her test was doing this, and now someone unqualified as an instructor has decided that they know better.

Worse, rather than discussing it with your niece as an adult, you have “told her” that you will take over.

I genuinely feel sorry for your niece at this point.

You feel sorry for my niece that she has someone that cares about her life enough that he doesn't want to see her in situations she can't handle. That wants her to go into driving with the best chance of avoiding an accident as possible.

Makes sense 🤣

I feel sorry for her that now rather than a competent professional teaching her she's going to have an unqualified relative trying to do it, and that you thought it acceptable to be telling someone else's child what she had to do.

I wonder if there's something more going on here than you've said.

Nice try buddy but I'm pretty confident in my abilities, I love my niece, doesn't take a genius to work out she's a cash cow for this guy and anyone else who has someone "not professional" to help them on their journey to becoming a driver are lucky lucky people. Especially when the "professional" can't be bothered to do the job they're payed £28 an hour to do. 

The £28 (or whatever) is not the instructor's salary. By the time he's paid all his costs he's probably not much over minimum wage.

Really?

So working a 40 hour week with six weeks off what are the £33,000 costs?

Nojimjames said:

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

I think I now see this as typical accepted driver instructor behaviour. I have told her not to bother waisting her money on the instructor and I will teach her. I think having knowledge of the routes should just be an advantage. Someone ready for their test should be (in my view) confident in passing their test having never seen the roads they're driving

Oh dear.

A professional who knows how to get people through her test was doing this, and now someone unqualified as an instructor has decided that they know better.

Worse, rather than discussing it with your niece as an adult, you have “told her” that you will take over.

I genuinely feel sorry for your niece at this point.

You feel sorry for my niece that she has someone that cares about her life enough that he doesn't want to see her in situations she can't handle. That wants her to go into driving with the best chance of avoiding an accident as possible.

Makes sense 🤣

Why not doing your training once she has passed? You can be the equivalent of Pass Plus

Don't fancy the pay cut

So you're no longer a cop then. 

mruncleman

I Was never a cop.

I enjoy driving and had the opportunity to learn through a connection

DB1904

mruncleman said:

I Was never a cop.

I enjoy driving and had the opportunity to learn through a connection

So you don't have a police driving qualification then. 

born_again

mruncleman said:

I just can't see why it is not standardized to make sure a student has a variety of situations before passing. Some people are very good at being put in a new situation in there own, going it alone and figuring it out.  Some are really bad at it and it's clearly visible when you see the P on the car but they clearly have no idea what they are doing.

I think as a parent knowing your child will be going out into the dangerous world of driving without really having a decent knowledge of what they are doing is a scary thought.

Can you imagine never seeing a big fast paced round about in rush hour with few chances to get on and encountering it after you have passed your test only ever driving mini roundabouts.  It's then down to the experienced drivers to avoid colliding with the newbee.

So how does someone living in central london practise on country lanes?
Same with area's of scotland that do not have dual carriageways?

The whole point of the Highway code is to provide background information on how to treat these situations. Lets face it we go through life without training on many things, but still cope.

How does anyone know that someone is a newbee? Some new drivers may actually be better than many experienced drivers are, given the way they treat other road users..

mruncleman

DB1904 said:

mruncleman said:

I Was never a cop.

I enjoy driving and had the opportunity to learn through a connection

So you don't have a police driving qualification then. 

Yes. This wasn't a groupon experience lol. I was taught by the same guy who teaches police in the same why and passed the same tests. Obviously I'm not pursuiting or anything but I'm trained to the same standards. 

It's who you know 😉

DB1904

mruncleman said:

DB1904 said:

mruncleman said:

I Was never a cop.

I enjoy driving and had the opportunity to learn through a connection

So you don't have a police driving qualification then. 

Yes. This wasn't a groupon experience lol. I was taught by the same guy who teaches police in the same why and passed the same tests. Obviously I'm not pursuiting or anything but I'm trained to the same standards. 

It's who you know 😉

The pursuit is part is part is of the test so no you didn't pass the same test and hold no qualifications. No doubt your mate Walter didn't give you the written tests but gave you an exemption on speed limits. Interested to hear about your blue light work. 

Grumpy_chap

mruncleman said:

Especially when the "professional" can't be bothered to do the job they're payed £28 an hour to do. 

That's remarkably cheap rate going on the rates around these parts.

Car_54 said:

The £28 (or whatever) is not the instructor's salary. By the time he's paid all his costs he's probably not much over minimum wage.

mruncleman said:

Oh I'm aware. Average instructor earns £30 to 40k after taxes, . However that is the cost of lessons. She's probably payed over £1500 to this guy to be to lazy to give her full effort

DB1904 said:

Really?

So working a 40 hour week with six weeks off what are the £33,000 costs?

52 weeks in the year.
2 weeks of Bank Holiday (8 days) plus sickness absence (2 days)
5 weeks annual leave
45-working weeks assuming generally pretty good health
40-hours per week
40 x 45 = 1,800 fee earning hours per year (max)

Not every hour is going to have lessons booked.  Based on the article below, I use 25% void time, so 75% paid time (which is higher than the article suggests):
https://www.get-licensed.co.uk/get-daily/how-many-hours-does-a-driving-instructor-actually-work/

1,800 * 0.75 = 1,350 hours per week
At £28/hour, that is £37,800 gross revenue.

Remember, this needs to fund all the costs of running the driving school business, a car, CPD training, employer's NI, etc.
Min wage from April £9.50 per hour, so £9.50 x 40 hours per week x 52 weeks (paid leave and sickness) = £19,760

mruncleman

DB1904 said:

mruncleman said:

DB1904 said:

mruncleman said:

I Was never a cop.

I enjoy driving and had the opportunity to learn through a connection

So you don't have a police driving qualification then. 

Yes. This wasn't a groupon experience lol. I was taught by the same guy who teaches police in the same why and passed the same tests. Obviously I'm not pursuiting or anything but I'm trained to the same standards. 

It's who you know 😉

The pursuit is part is part is of the test so no you didn't pass the same test and hold no qualifications. No doubt your mate Walter didn't give you the written tests but gave you an exemption on speed limits. Interested to hear about your blue light work. 

I love how you know more about me then I do, like you know what I do for a living or who I know. I wasn't aware you could tell all this info about me from a username.

I love how dismissive people know all the facts without asking any questions and tell me I'm wrong

Talent that is bud!