Instructor ripping off my niece?

Car_54

DB1904 said:

mruncleman said:

If you want to make judgements about the type of driver I am. I am 33. I've been driving for 15 years not even a bump. I drive 60k miles a year, I've driven in 20 different countrys, I driven cars buses hgvs, I have my advanced police driving qualification. Am I the best driver in the world. Do I have bad habits, of course. But I am aware of them and know not to pass these on. sometimes I make mistakes like everyone else but I think my opinions are valid and have no doubt in would pass my test 

Just so you know 😉

I know an advanced driving instructor who having taught 100s of cops advanced driving who taught someone to drive. They failed whist their driving was better than the average person who passed they simply didn't drive in the manner required to pass. Be very careful when you interfere.

The only "manner required to pass" is to be safe. The person who failed must either have committed a dangerous or potentially dangerous fault, or 16 'minor' faults. Hardly "better than the average person who passed".

mruncleman

I'll update this thread with more info if and when she passes. I'm sure it'll be interesting for the cynics to find out if she ended up passing under the guidance of a non professional or not. Either way I'm an honest man and will say if she failed. 

Car_54

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

I think I now see this as typical accepted driver instructor behaviour. I have told her not to bother waisting her money on the instructor and I will teach her. I think having knowledge of the routes should just be an advantage. Someone ready for their test should be (in my view) confident in passing their test having never seen the roads they're driving

Oh dear.

A professional who knows how to get people through her test was doing this, and now someone unqualified as an instructor has decided that they know better.

Worse, rather than discussing it with your niece as an adult, you have “told her” that you will take over.

I genuinely feel sorry for your niece at this point.

You feel sorry for my niece that she has someone that cares about her life enough that he doesn't want to see her in situations she can't handle. That wants her to go into driving with the best chance of avoiding an accident as possible.

Makes sense 🤣

I feel sorry for her that now rather than a competent professional teaching her she's going to have an unqualified relative trying to do it, and that you thought it acceptable to be telling someone else's child what she had to do.

I wonder if there's something more going on here than you've said.

Nice try buddy but I'm pretty confident in my abilities, I love my niece, doesn't take a genius to work out she's a cash cow for this guy and anyone else who has someone "not professional" to help them on their journey to becoming a driver are lucky lucky people. Especially when the "professional" can't be bothered to do the job they're payed £28 an hour to do. 

The £28 (or whatever) is not the instructor's salary. By the time he's paid all his costs he's probably not much over minimum wage.

NBLondon

I think the OP has a point...  When I learned to drive in the mid-80s, my instructor told me he wouldn't just do the minimum to pass the test but tried to give me a wider experience to build up car control and hazard awareness in different circumstances.  I appreciated that the first time I took to a motorway with my own car because I had at least driven at 60mph on a dual carriageway before; if I'd only ever driven at 30mph in town it might have been a big step up.   And as others have said - I learnt a lot more after passing my test.

Teaching only to the test isn't doing the full job.  Mind you, some students probably expect that because that's what they have done in school.

mruncleman

Marvel1 said:

You learn more after passing.

Learners are not allowed on motorways.

Car_54 said:

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

I think I now see this as typical accepted driver instructor behaviour. I have told her not to bother waisting her money on the instructor and I will teach her. I think having knowledge of the routes should just be an advantage. Someone ready for their test should be (in my view) confident in passing their test having never seen the roads they're driving

Oh dear.

A professional who knows how to get people through her test was doing this, and now someone unqualified as an instructor has decided that they know better.

Worse, rather than discussing it with your niece as an adult, you have “told her” that you will take over.

I genuinely feel sorry for your niece at this point.

You feel sorry for my niece that she has someone that cares about her life enough that he doesn't want to see her in situations she can't handle. That wants her to go into driving with the best chance of avoiding an accident as possible.

Makes sense 🤣

I feel sorry for her that now rather than a competent professional teaching her she's going to have an unqualified relative trying to do it, and that you thought it acceptable to be telling someone else's child what she had to do.

I wonder if there's something more going on here than you've said.

Nice try buddy but I'm pretty confident in my abilities, I love my niece, doesn't take a genius to work out she's a cash cow for this guy and anyone else who has someone "not professional" to help them on their journey to becoming a driver are lucky lucky people. Especially when the "professional" can't be bothered to do the job they're payed £28 an hour to do. 

The £28 (or whatever) is not the instructor's salary. By the time he's paid all his costs he's probably not much over minimum wage.

Oh I'm aware. Average instructor earns £30 to 40k after taxes, . However that is the cost of lessons. She's probably payed over £1500 to this guy to be to lazy to give her full effort

Car_54

Marvel1 said:

You learn more after passing.

Learners are not allowed on motorways.

They are, but only with an Approved Driving Instructor and dual controls.

mruncleman

Marvel1 said:

You learn more after passing.

Learners are not allowed on motorways.

I believe they are with a qualified instructor with duel controls. Rules changed a couple years ago  Another thing her instructor cannot be bothered to do

jimjames

mruncleman said:

I just can't see why it is not standardized to make sure a student has a variety of situations before passing. 

On the other hand you could have other people complaining that their child has been for 100 lessons to cover all eventualities but the bit to pass the test could have been done in 50. Who would feel ripped off then?

jimjames

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

I think I now see this as typical accepted driver instructor behaviour. I have told her not to bother waisting her money on the instructor and I will teach her. I think having knowledge of the routes should just be an advantage. Someone ready for their test should be (in my view) confident in passing their test having never seen the roads they're driving

Oh dear.

A professional who knows how to get people through her test was doing this, and now someone unqualified as an instructor has decided that they know better.

Worse, rather than discussing it with your niece as an adult, you have “told her” that you will take over.

I genuinely feel sorry for your niece at this point.

You feel sorry for my niece that she has someone that cares about her life enough that he doesn't want to see her in situations she can't handle. That wants her to go into driving with the best chance of avoiding an accident as possible.

Makes sense 🤣

Why not doing your training once she has passed? You can be the equivalent of Pass Plus

mruncleman

jimjames said:

mruncleman said:

I just can't see why it is not standardized to make sure a student has a variety of situations before passing. 

On the other hand you could have other people complaining that their child has been for 100 lessons to cover all eventualities but the bit to pass the test could have been done in 50. Who would feel ripped off then?

Ahhhhhh this is frustrating. I'm not saying that a student must cover every eventualities. Just ones that are available to practice on. There are so many country lanes in this country. A driver will almost certainly drive one in there life. If someone is taking driving lessons and there is one available to get experience on it should be used. If there isn't then well nothing can be done about that. But we have plenty near me and her instructor hasn't taken her on them. We have 70mph roads near me but she's only been on one's that go to 50. We have one of the most notoriously bad 4 lane roundabouts but her instructor won't take her on. It's not her ability the reason she doesn't have her experience. It's because it's not on her test. We have a motorway. All these things she has available to get experience in that are all within the distance to get from home lesson home in an hr but they're not on her test route so her instructor won't take her.

What good reason can be used to avoid getting this valuable experience. Not in the test route is an aweful excuse

Would it be acceptable for an instructor to not do a lesson because it's raining, because it's traffic time, because it's dark. Hell the test won't be taken in the dark so what's the point having lessons in the dark 🤷