Instructor ripping off my niece?

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I've seen plenty of, presumably experienced, drivers on country roads driving at 40 in a 60 and then going into a 30 and continuing at 40, are such overly confident drivers much less of a risk than a more cautious new driver?

mruncleman

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

I think I now see this as typical accepted driver instructor behaviour. I have told her not to bother waisting her money on the instructor and I will teach her. I think having knowledge of the routes should just be an advantage. Someone ready for their test should be (in my view) confident in passing their test having never seen the roads they're driving

Oh dear.

A professional who knows how to get people through her test was doing this, and now someone unqualified as an instructor has decided that they know better.

Worse, rather than discussing it with your niece as an adult, you have “told her” that you will take over.

I genuinely feel sorry for your niece at this point.

Abit dismissive too don't you think. You assume you know how the conversation went

caprikid1

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

I think I now see this as typical accepted driver instructor behaviour. I have told her not to bother waisting her money on the instructor and I will teach her. I think having knowledge of the routes should just be an advantage. Someone ready for their test should be (in my view) confident in passing their test having never seen the roads they're driving

Oh dear.

A professional who knows how to get people through her test was doing this, and now someone unqualified as an instructor has decided that they know better.

Worse, rather than discussing it with your niece as an adult, you have “told her” that you will take over.

I genuinely feel sorry for your niece at this point.

Abit dismissive too don't you think. You assume you know how the conversation went

In fairness , you have already stated you could not pass a test yourself but expect to teach someone else to do so.

mruncleman

Deleted_User said:

I've seen plenty of, presumably experienced, drivers on country roads driving at 40 in a 60 and then going into a 30 and continuing at 40, are such overly confident drivers much less of a risk than a more cautious new driver?

No. There are so many people who are bad drivers. But atleast they have experience. Sending a newbee out without the chance to gain this experience is wrong I think. If it's not taught because it's not possible then fine. Not much you can do about that. But if it's not taught because it's not on your test even though those types of roads are local does not make sense.

mruncleman

caprikid1 said:

mruncleman said:

Chris_English said:

mruncleman said:

I think I now see this as typical accepted driver instructor behaviour. I have told her not to bother waisting her money on the instructor and I will teach her. I think having knowledge of the routes should just be an advantage. Someone ready for their test should be (in my view) confident in passing their test having never seen the roads they're driving

Oh dear.

A professional who knows how to get people through her test was doing this, and now someone unqualified as an instructor has decided that they know better.

Worse, rather than discussing it with your niece as an adult, you have “told her” that you will take over.

I genuinely feel sorry for your niece at this point.

Abit dismissive too don't you think. You assume you know how the conversation went

In fairness , you have already stated you could not pass a test yourself but expect to teach someone else to do so.

I would love to know where I said I could not pass a test?

caprikid1

OP do you have a Dash Cam ? 

Grumpy_chap

This may well be a generational thing between Mr Uncle Man and the Niece. 

People of a certain vintage had some lessons with a professional instructor plus some kind of old wreck to learn to drive in, with a nervous Father in the passenger seat.  Total driving hours / miles before the test could be quite high.  Even then, it was still the case that you only learn to drive after the test.

Today's generation really can't afford the old wreck and Dad's company car is not insured for the learner, so it is taught at the going rate for professional lessons and the test is taken with far fewer hours / miles experience. That said, the evolved rules mean that if Dad (or Uncle) did take the learner out, the test may not necessarily be passed.

Rather than tell the Niece not to have any further lessons, which seems possibly interfering and controlling (I am sure that is not the case as Mr Uncle Man is clearly very caring of his Niece, but that is how the thread text reads), perhaps a better thing and possibly more supportive would be to acknowledge the professional driving instructor and offer to do some additional practice as well as the final lessons and offer to buy the Niece a pass-plus course once she has passed the test and gets her own car.  

That would be a kind and generous Uncle.

mruncleman

If you want to make judgements about the type of driver I am. I am 33. I've been driving for 15 years not even a bump. I drive 60k miles a year, I've driven in 20 different countrys, I driven cars buses hgvs, I have my advanced police driving qualification. Am I the best driver in the world. Do I have bad habits, of course. But I am aware of them and know not to pass these on. sometimes I make mistakes like everyone else but I think my opinions are valid and have no doubt in would pass my test 

Just so you know 😉

mruncleman

Grumpy_chap said:

This may well be a generational thing between Mr Uncle Man and the Niece. 

People of a certain vintage had some lessons with a professional instructor plus some kind of old wreck to learn to drive in, with a nervous Father in the passenger seat.  Total driving hours / miles before the test could be quite high.  Even then, it was still the case that you only learn to drive after the test.

Today's generation really can't afford the old wreck and Dad's company car is not insured for the learner, so it is taught at the going rate for professional lessons and the test is taken with far fewer hours / miles experience. That said, the evolved rules mean that if Dad (or Uncle) did take the learner out, the test may not necessarily be passed.

Rather than tell the Niece not to have any further lessons, which seems possibly interfering and controlling (I am sure that is not the case as Mr Uncle Man is clearly very caring of his Niece, but that is how the thread text reads), perhaps a better thing and possibly more supportive would be to acknowledge the professional driving instructor and offer to do some additional practice as well as the final lessons and offer to buy the Niece a pass-plus course once she has passed the test and gets her own car.  

That would be a kind and generous Uncle.

She's been driving for over a year. Her skill set is not the problem. She's a capable learner. She's been with me for 7 hours and has improved hugely. And i haven't really 'taught' her. I've just allowed her to drive my car and taken her roads that she has not encountered before. 

Also I didn't drive a wreck 🤣. I had lessons. No one helped me. Just the instructor I had

Car_54

MX5huggy said:

I think this is fairly typical. They teach to the test and just go round and round the routes that are used. 

Give her as much time behind the wheel with you just driving as you can. 

I passed 1st time after 4 lessons then about 10000 miles of driving on L plates with my Girlfriend (now wife) and 2 lessons to remove any bad habits. 

The examiner noticed I didn’t know the roads I was not anticipating the next turn before instructions were issued I just drove what was in front of me and said it was the best drive they had had in a long time, I even used the gear box when slowing down. 

How long ago was your test? 
Using the gears to slow down hasn't been taught for about 40 years.