When your religious belief mucks up selling your house.

TheJP

Keep_pedalling said:

theoretica said:

When your religious belief mucks up selling your house.

Interesting choice of title - I was only really thinking of it as 'When someone else's religious belief mucks up your house purchase'

Interesting point, although I think the buyers will have a much easier time in finding another house than the sellers will have finding an alternative EA.

True but the thing is they may not need an EA. Someone locally will see an opportunity to offer the sellers a price for them to move, albeit likely a lower price based on the current negative press.

Gavin83

TheJP said:

Murphybear said:

I read this and was horrified.

I genuinely do not understand why who you sell your house to really matters, you won’t  be living there any more.  

I’m glad the EA removed this property from their books.  Hopefully no other EA will take it on but I can’t see that happening

Who I sold my house to was a major factor in whose offer I accepted. I had amazing neighbours and I wanted to make sure that whoever bought the house would be decent people.

I suspect most people would have a similar mindset but ultimately most people have their price. If the difference in offer between the family who would make great neighbours vs those that wouldn't was substantial I suspect most would push their morals to one side.

I'll take an example of a house we offered on. So the difference between our offer (at asking price) and the highest offer was £55k. We were told we weren't even close to being the lowest offer either either so lets assume the difference between the lowest offer and highest offer was £80k. Now lets also assume for the sake of this discussion the lowest and highest offers were the only two. I wonder how many people would turn down £80k to keep their previous neighbours happy? That's the difference between a vastly better house, gifting it to your kids for their own deposit or retiring a few years early. It would take an extremely strong willed person to take the lower offer.

Chris_English

TheJP said:

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Murphybear said:

I read this and was horrified.

I genuinely do not understand why who you sell your house to really matters, you won’t  be living there any more.  

I’m glad the EA removed this property from their books.  Hopefully no other EA will take it on but I can’t see that happening

Who I sold my house to was a major factor in whose offer I accepted. I had amazing neighbours and I wanted to make sure that whoever bought the house would be decent people.

To say they are wrong based on their religious beliefs is discrimination in itself. Its an unpleasant scenario.

But they are wrong, and deserve to be shamed for what they have done.

I didn't say they were right. I replied to the comment regarding whether who you sell your house matters. It does, its one of many factors on how you decide to sell to. As I said my neighbours are great people and i would want to ensure that whoever i sold to would be equally as good a neighbour as we were.

OK, but you’re implying that this couple wouldn’t be great neighbours, based on their sexuality.

No I didn't. I'm saying that I have a choice who I want to sell my house to, sexuality has no bearing on that decision. Just for the record I agree that its not right that the couple are deemed unfit buyers based on their sexuality. 

You also said that it was wrong to criticise the sellers in this case, and called it discrimination…

theoretica

london21 said:

They could have gone about it a better way.

It is discrimination but if they were not informed would not have caused any issues.

Likely more common than we know and could be discrimination because of race, status etc 

Quiet discrimination is so hard to prove.

I do hope they didn't discriminate openly for any form of kudos from like-minded people if/when their discrimination became known. But I fear they may experience benefit in certain circles because of what they did.

roaduser3189

Religious or not everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yes they could have worded it differently but ultimately if they dont want to sell to someone based on certain characteristics it's up to them.  The real question is why is this on the news and why is it being discussed? . A couple is denied a 650k house...first world problems eh? 

TheJP

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Murphybear said:

I read this and was horrified.

I genuinely do not understand why who you sell your house to really matters, you won’t  be living there any more.  

I’m glad the EA removed this property from their books.  Hopefully no other EA will take it on but I can’t see that happening

Who I sold my house to was a major factor in whose offer I accepted. I had amazing neighbours and I wanted to make sure that whoever bought the house would be decent people.

To say they are wrong based on their religious beliefs is discrimination in itself. Its an unpleasant scenario.

But they are wrong, and deserve to be shamed for what they have done.

I didn't say they were right. I replied to the comment regarding whether who you sell your house matters. It does, its one of many factors on how you decide to sell to. As I said my neighbours are great people and i would want to ensure that whoever i sold to would be equally as good a neighbour as we were.

OK, but you’re implying that this couple wouldn’t be great neighbours, based on their sexuality.

No I didn't. I'm saying that I have a choice who I want to sell my house to, sexuality has no bearing on that decision. Just for the record I agree that its not right that the couple are deemed unfit buyers based on their sexuality. 

You also said that it was wrong to criticise the sellers in this case, and called it discrimination…

No I said its a contradiction, the sellers could easily say they are being discriminated against because others don't accept their beliefs. 

grumiofoundation

TheJP said:

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Murphybear said:

I read this and was horrified.

I genuinely do not understand why who you sell your house to really matters, you won’t  be living there any more.  

I’m glad the EA removed this property from their books.  Hopefully no other EA will take it on but I can’t see that happening

Who I sold my house to was a major factor in whose offer I accepted. I had amazing neighbours and I wanted to make sure that whoever bought the house would be decent people.

To say they are wrong based on their religious beliefs is discrimination in itself. Its an unpleasant scenario.

But they are wrong, and deserve to be shamed for what they have done.

I didn't say they were right. I replied to the comment regarding whether who you sell your house matters. It does, its one of many factors on how you decide to sell to. As I said my neighbours are great people and i would want to ensure that whoever i sold to would be equally as good a neighbour as we were.

OK, but you’re implying that this couple wouldn’t be great neighbours, based on their sexuality.

No I didn't. I'm saying that I have a choice who I want to sell my house to, sexuality has no bearing on that decision. Just for the record I agree that its not right that the couple are deemed unfit buyers based on their sexuality. 

You also said that it was wrong to criticise the sellers in this case, and called it discrimination…

No I said its a contradiction, the sellers could easily say they are being discriminated against because others don't accept their beliefs. 

They could say it but they would be wrong. 

Being called homophobic for being, um homophobic, is not discrimination regardless of the reason for the homophobia. The fact someone bases their homophobia on a religious text does not make calling that out discrimination.

It is in fact a contradiction to say that religious homophobes are being discriminated against (your claim) by being homophobic but an atheist homophobe (atheism is a protected characteristic) is simply a homophobe. 

grumiofoundation

roaduser3189 said:

Religious or not everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yes they could have worded it differently but ultimately if they dont want to sell to someone based on certain characteristics it's up to them.  The real question is why is this on the news and why is it being discussed? . A couple is denied a 650k house...first world problems eh? 

Even if we assume they are this wasn't an opinion was it - this was an action, an action that treated people differently based on someones sexuality. 

Why would it not be on the news? Well people are interested in it - including you since you felt the need to post. 

Why is it being discussed? Well why did you enter said discussion?

Obviously it is nowhere near the worst discrimination that will happen today around the world but should there be a certain level of wealth at which discrimination laws should not apply ? 

TheJP

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Murphybear said:

I read this and was horrified.

I genuinely do not understand why who you sell your house to really matters, you won’t  be living there any more.  

I’m glad the EA removed this property from their books.  Hopefully no other EA will take it on but I can’t see that happening

Who I sold my house to was a major factor in whose offer I accepted. I had amazing neighbours and I wanted to make sure that whoever bought the house would be decent people.

To say they are wrong based on their religious beliefs is discrimination in itself. Its an unpleasant scenario.

But they are wrong, and deserve to be shamed for what they have done.

I didn't say they were right. I replied to the comment regarding whether who you sell your house matters. It does, its one of many factors on how you decide to sell to. As I said my neighbours are great people and i would want to ensure that whoever i sold to would be equally as good a neighbour as we were.

OK, but you’re implying that this couple wouldn’t be great neighbours, based on their sexuality.

No I didn't. I'm saying that I have a choice who I want to sell my house to, sexuality has no bearing on that decision. Just for the record I agree that its not right that the couple are deemed unfit buyers based on their sexuality. 

You also said that it was wrong to criticise the sellers in this case, and called it discrimination…

No I said its a contradiction, the sellers could easily say they are being discriminated against because others don't accept their beliefs. 

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I'm using the context of beliefs and the contradiction of the acceptance of the bible in this country. I've never mentioned sexuality or homophobia. I would appreciate you stop trying to make me out to be something i very much am not.

newsgroupmonkey_

Surely this is like the "gay cake" case (not my words) that's just been shut down in the courts?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45789759

I can imagine this would be a similar case that would go nowhere, with the only winners being the lawyers.

Ultimately, it's 2 protected characteristics being out of sync.

I'm not saying it's right btw - my previous 2 deleted posts said that I don't agree with the vendors.

I notice that the potential buyers have said that they want to call this out, but don't want to take it further.