When your religious belief mucks up selling your house.

TheJP

grumiofoundation said:

TheJP said:

Murphybear said:

I read this and was horrified.

I genuinely do not understand why who you sell your house to really matters, you won’t  be living there any more.  

I’m glad the EA removed this property from their books.  Hopefully no other EA will take it on but I can’t see that happening

Who I sold my house to was a major factor in whose offer I accepted. I had amazing neighbours and I wanted to make sure that whoever bought the house would be decent people.

To say they are wrong based on their religious beliefs is discrimination in itself. Its an unpleasant scenario.

No it isn't. Can you find the passage in the equality act 2010 where it says that calling someone who happens to be religious homophobic is discrimination? 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents

You are correct it is an unpleasant scenario - but it is all one way.  

Its a complex issue, especially when religion is involved. The case of the NI bakers who wouldn't bake a gay pride cake based on their beliefs and then sued by the customers, the bakers won their case at supreme court. 

The equality act is almost useless due to the fact that the bible hasn't been amended to reflect current society. Its a contradiction.

TheJP

googler said:

Time for all other right-minded viewers; straight, gay, whatever -  to refrain from viewing their house, then..... total boycott.

Honestly if it was a house I really liked at a price I could afford I would want to buy it.

TheJP

Chris_English said:

TheJP said:

Murphybear said:

I read this and was horrified.

I genuinely do not understand why who you sell your house to really matters, you won’t  be living there any more.  

I’m glad the EA removed this property from their books.  Hopefully no other EA will take it on but I can’t see that happening

Who I sold my house to was a major factor in whose offer I accepted. I had amazing neighbours and I wanted to make sure that whoever bought the house would be decent people.

To say they are wrong based on their religious beliefs is discrimination in itself. Its an unpleasant scenario.

But they are wrong, and deserve to be shamed for what they have done.

I didn't say they were right. I replied to the comment regarding whether who you sell your house matters. It does, its one of many factors on how you decide to sell to. As I said my neighbours are great people and i would want to ensure that whoever i sold to would be equally as good a neighbour as we were.

Section62

TheJP said:

googler said:

Time for all other right-minded viewers; straight, gay, whatever -  to refrain from viewing their house, then..... total boycott.

Honestly if it was a house I really liked at a price I could afford I would want to buy it.

The publicity they are getting is like advertising that no estate agent fee could ever buy you -  the outcome is likely to be the opposite of what googler is hoping for.  Amongst the many millons of extra people seeing/reading about the story there will be someone willing to pay good money for the property.

The only effective "boycott" would have been if everybody refrained from reporting the subject or sharing it on social media.  That would have made it less likely the vendors would quickly find another buyer.

TBagpuss

Murphybear said:

I read this and was horrified.

I genuinely do not understand why who you sell your house to really matters, you won’t  be living there any more.  

I’m glad the EA removed this property from their books.  Hopefully no other EA will take it on but I can’t see that happening

I agree with you, but I suppose that they might argue that they would be tainted by accepting the money ?  
Or maybe they are just scared that they might catch being gay if they allow them over the threshold? Very difficult to understand the mindset .

I wonder if they are as diligent about avoiding usury? and whether they have thought at all about Matthew 22, if they fancy their biblical verses. 


I hope that the couple find somewhere .

From a legal perspective, I suspect that it would be unlawful for an estate agency, as a business, to discriminate on  the basis of sexuality,(or any other protected characteristic)  but it would not be unlawful for private individuals selling their house to do so.

TXC

As abhorrent as I think this is, and I truly do. 

The fact remains that we all have the right to sell (or not sell) our own property to whomever we like.

There are tons of posts on here along the lines of "we sold our property to x couple because we really liked them", "we didn't accept y offer because the seller didn't seem (delete as applicable)

The views of the vendor in this scenario have absolutely no place in today's society, and they should have gone about this in a completely different way. But the fact remains that legally they've done nothing wrong (morally - absolutely)

user1977

TBagpuss said:

Murphybear said:

I read this and was horrified.

I genuinely do not understand why who you sell your house to really matters, you won’t  be living there any more.  

I’m glad the EA removed this property from their books.  Hopefully no other EA will take it on but I can’t see that happening

From a legal perspective, I suspect that it would be unlawful for an estate agency, as a business, to discriminate on  the basis of sexuality,(or any other protected characteristic)  but it would not be unlawful for private individuals selling their house to do so.

No, I can't see an exemption for privately-arranged sales (or lettings).

theartfullodger

Vendor has no place in this country....

TripleH

TXC said:

As abhorrent as I think this is, and I truly do. 

The fact remains that we all have the right to sell (or not sell) our own property to whomever we like.

There are tons of posts on here along the lines of "we sold our property to x couple because we really liked them", "we didn't accept y offer because the seller didn't seem (delete as applicable)

The views of the vendor in this scenario have absolutely no place in today's society, and they should have gone about this in a completely different way. But the fact remains that legally they've done nothing wrong (morally - absolutely)

I think legally they might have? (discrimination due to sexual orientation). The error they made was stating that was the reason for refusal.

I disagree with their stated reason.

I also think the discrimination rules are poorly thought out because you can get trapped in a stalemate situation of each party causing discrimination to the other (as in the Irish bakery scenario) but I suspect that is politicians passing the buck by getting praise for wide social reform but leaving the detail for the courts to fix.

 

TBagpuss

user1977 said:

TBagpuss said:

Murphybear said:

I read this and was horrified.

I genuinely do not understand why who you sell your house to really matters, you won’t  be living there any more.  

I’m glad the EA removed this property from their books.  Hopefully no other EA will take it on but I can’t see that happening

From a legal perspective, I suspect that it would be unlawful for an estate agency, as a business, to discriminate on  the basis of sexuality,(or any other protected characteristic)  but it would not be unlawful for private individuals selling their house to do so.

No, I can't see an exemption for privately-arranged sales (or lettings).

No nothing direct relating to sales but I thought there were some elements of the act that relate to providing services etc where there may be a difference depending on whether you are acting in a private, personal capacity or not. but I may well be mis-remembering.