EV, Hybrid or ICE?

Pixie5740

I feel a spreadsheet coming on....

movilogo

[Quote]Definitely don't go hybrid - a pointless waste of time, typically less economical than a diesel but really expensive to maintain.[/Quote]

Why do you say so? Hybrids are not really expensive to maintain. Most manufacturers offer 8-10 years warranty on battery. 

Full EV is only suitable if you have another ICE car as back up or live in a town with good public transport.

Realistic option is to get a car with petrol ICE. Diesel cars are too risky to maintain outside warranty. 

Hybrids are not bad per se and if you prefer one, get a hybrid. Most of the time they will use ICE though as hybrids have very small EV range. 

[Deleted User]

So you’ve not seen all the Toyota Prius’s used as taxis which will be clocking up 50k a year?
they would not be used as taxis if they weren’t reliable and economical. 

A Prius will achieve above 50mpg around town which will beat any diesel. 

Petriix

movilogo said:

[Quote]Definitely don't go hybrid - a pointless waste of time, typically less economical than a diesel but really expensive to maintain.[/Quote]

Why do you say so? Hybrids are not really expensive to maintain. Most manufacturers offer 8-10 years warranty on battery. 

Full EV is only suitable if you have another ICE car as back up or live in a town with good public transport.

Realistic option is to get a car with petrol ICE. Diesel cars are too risky to maintain outside warranty. 

Hybrids are not bad per se and if you prefer one, get a hybrid. Most of the time they will use ICE though as hybrids have very small EV range. 

You obviously haven't noticed that most new EVs have well over 150 miles of range in all conditions. I'm not sure why you think that would limit you to driving in town?

There are thousands of rapid chargers so you can charge in the middle of your journey. I've comfortably covered over 420 miles in a day in my EV.

Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. They are vastly more complex than either a regular ICE or a full EV. They're horribly inefficient in the real world because they spend most of the time carrying around a heavy, empty battery; or when they're running on electric, they have to carry a redundant engine and fuel.

Deleted_User said:

So you’ve not seen all the Toyota Prius’s used as taxis which will be clocking up 50k a year?
they would not be used as taxis if they weren’t reliable and economical. 

A Prius will achieve above 50mpg around town which will beat any diesel. 

50mpg won't 'beat any diesel'. The Prius taxis made sense until the MG5 came out. EV technology has progressed and is rapidly developing. Hybrids are a dead-end. 

Jenni_D

If there'd been a BEV on the company car list I would have gone for that. Unfortunately it was either a diesel (Focus) or a choice of PHEVs (Skoda Superb, Volvo V60 [T6] or BMW 330e - but I would have had to pay a monthly contribution of £50 (before tax, so actually less) for the BMW) so I went for the Volvo. (Current estimate is mid-March delivery).

Edited.

Grumpy_chap

Jenni_D said:

If there'd been a BEV on the company car list I would have gone for that. Unfortunately it was either a diesel (Focus) or a choice of PHEVs (Skoda Superb, Volvo T60 or BMW 330e - but I would have had to pay a monthly contribution of £50 (before tax, so actually less) for the BMW) so I went for the Volvo. (Current estimate is mid-March delivery).

The Volvo is probably the better car than the BMW.

Jenni_D

I've edited my previous post - I'd conflated V60 and T6 to make T60. 😂

Ditzy_Mitzy

Deleted_User said:

So you’ve not seen all the Toyota Prius’s used as taxis which will be clocking up 50k a year?
they would not be used as taxis if they weren’t reliable and economical. 

A Prius will achieve above 50mpg around town which will beat any diesel. 

A Toyota Prius makes an ideal urban Hackney or minicab on the basis that such a car spends a lot of time sitting in traffic, makes short journeys and frequently stops and moves off.  A cab also needs to be able to carry people and luggage, so needs to be of a certain size.  The hybrid gear really does save fuel in a medium sized car when doing that sort of driving.  The problem is that the majority of private car owners don't drive in the fashion of a taxi.  At cruising speed the hybrid system is worse than useless, being dead weight, and around town it's perfectly possible to get hybrid equalling economy from a small, conventional petrol or diesel. 

[Deleted User]

However they are cheaper than full electric cars, don’t need a charging point and nicer to drive than manual cars as they are automatic by default, also greener and quieter than ice cars. 

And as you say, if you do a lot of town driving, school runs etc make a lot of sense, economically and comfort wise. 

Pixie5740

I am still researching.  I looked at Volvo as the C40 has received some good reviews and came across the subscription model that Volvo are offering.

679 a month for 36 months plus another 20 a month if you want the retractable towbar, which I would for my bike carrier, and then if you want to do more than 6000 miles a year that's also extra every month.  At the end of the 36 months you still wouldn't own the car!  It seems a bit like PCP but there is no balloon payment or at least it is not explicit.  My mortgage costs less!

https://www.volvocars.com/uk/choose-offer?cbv=1&token=4665134678369261539&model=c40-electric