EV, Hybrid or ICE?

SiliconChip

Grumpy_chap said:

Pixie5740 said:

If only I could drive from Aberdeen to Glasgow without stopping.

That's around 150 miles or so.  Well within the real world range of a fair number of EV's currently available.

I think you'll find that it's bladder range that's the issue (like Pixie and Herzlos mine would be unlikely to last the time it would take to drive that distance).

fred990

It's a shame that even if servicing/charging/ved (currently zero) was free it would still be way more expensive to get even a cheap EV vs running an older ice car. 

Pixie5740

It’s not my bladder that prevents a straight run down the road it’s the traffic jams.  That is something that rightly or wrongly worries me about electric vehicles, the battery running out whilst stuck on the A90 or A9 after an accident. 

Once it took me 2 hours to get from Aberdeen to Stonehaven before I gave up and returned home. An accident had close the A90 southbound and forced everyone on the the old coast road where traffic was moving at a glacial pace. 

Petriix

fred990 said:

It's a shame that even if servicing/charging/ved (currently zero) was free it would still be way more expensive to get even a cheap EV vs running an older ice car. 

In practice I've not found that to be true at all. My purchase of a brand new EV has added just £75 per month to my mortgage, which is roughly equivalent to the fuel savings.

The 15 year old diesel car I traded in required £800 of work to keep it on the road. Servicing, MOT, VED and general maintenance were averaging £500 per year and depreciation was the same again over the period I owned it.

The EV won't require an MOT for 3 years, the first service is £33, only tyres and brakes will need replacing and, with regenerative braking, they will last a long time.

In theory the depreciation will be much higher, but not so far. As long as I keep overpaying the additional mortgage so that the outstanding balance is lower than the value of the car then I'm in a sound position.

Grumpy_chap

Pixie5740 said:

It’s not my bladder that prevents a straight run down the road it’s the traffic jams.  That is something that rightly or wrongly worries me about electric vehicles, the battery running out whilst stuck on the A90 or A9 after an accident. 

As I understand it, that risk is lower with an EV than an ICE.

When stopped an EV uses no power for motive purposes and when crawling uses barely any power.

An ICE, conversely, may keep the engine running when stopped (even if the car is fitted with stop / start) and when crawling is very inefficient.

If I had to choose between being stuck in a long jam in an ICE car with near empty tank (50 miles range = last gallon of 50 gallon tank) or an EV with near empty battery (50 miles range), I'd prefer to take my chances in the EV.

fred990

Petriix said:

fred990 said:

It's a shame that even if servicing/charging/ved (currently zero) was free it would still be way more expensive to get even a cheap EV vs running an older ice car. 

In practice I've not found that to be true at all. My purchase of a brand new EV has added just £75 per month to my mortgage, which is roughly equivalent to the fuel savings.

The 15 year old diesel car I traded in required £800 of work to keep it on the road. Servicing, MOT, VED and general maintenance were averaging £500 per year and depreciation was the same again over the period I owned it.

The EV won't require an MOT for 3 years, the first service is £33, only tyres and brakes will need replacing and, with regenerative braking, they will last a long time.

In theory the depreciation will be much higher, but not so far. As long as I keep overpaying the additional mortgage so that the outstanding balance is lower than the value of the car then I'm in a sound position.

No offence but I'd never in million years put brand new car and mortgage in the same sentance.....you're in a monstrous money hole compered to my motoring....I can save CO2 in other ways!

Pixie5740

Grumpy_chap said:

Pixie5740 said:

It’s not my bladder that prevents a straight run down the road it’s the traffic jams.  That is something that rightly or wrongly worries me about electric vehicles, the battery running out whilst stuck on the A90 or A9 after an accident. 

As I understand it, that risk is lower with an EV than an ICE.

When stopped an EV uses no power for motive purposes and when crawling uses barely any power.

An ICE, conversely, may keep the engine running when stopped (even if the car is fitted with stop / start) and when crawling is very inefficient.

If I had to choose between being stuck in a long jam in an ICE car with near empty tank (50 miles range = last gallon of 50 gallon tank) or an EV with near empty battery (50 miles range), I'd prefer to take my chances in the EV.

I had visions of the battery dying as I crawl along Dundee’s Kingsway. 

shinytop

Herzlos said:

Pixie5740 said:

If only I could drive from Aberdeen to Glasgow without stopping.

I couldn't either. My bladder is no match for most electrics cars ranges

But you can't charge an electric car in 2 minutes in a lay-by or behind a hedge 

MX5huggy

Have a look at a BMW i3 Range Extender (REx). Unlike other Hybrids it’s has big electric range (100 to 130 depending on temperature driving style etc). The petrol motor does not power the wheels but rather charges the battery it only has a small petrol tank so adds 90 ish miles but you can just keep putting more petrol in if you want. I’m just getting rid of mine for a BEV (battery only)i3 because I just don’t use the REx and the new one has bigger range. 

born_again

shinytop said:

But you can't charge an electric car in 2 minutes in a lay-by or behind a hedge 

Can you with a ice? Unless you have extra fuel in the boot?
At least with a EV you can knock on someone's door and ask can I borrow a plug and get some charge in 🤣