EV, Hybrid or ICE?

castle96

born_again said:

shinytop said:

But you can't charge an electric car in 2 minutes in a lay-by or behind a hedge 

Can you with a ice? Unless you have extra fuel in the boot?
At least with a EV you can knock on someone's door and ask can I borrow a plug and get some charge in 🤣

I'd be dead chuffed if someone asked to do that. NOT !

MX5huggy

castle96 said:

born_again said:

shinytop said:

But you can't charge an electric car in 2 minutes in a lay-by or behind a hedge 

Can you with a ice? Unless you have extra fuel in the boot?
At least with a EV you can knock on someone's door and ask can I borrow a plug and get some charge in 🤣

I'd be dead chuffed if someone asked to do that. NOT !

Yes because helping out fellow citizens in distress is one of those things that is really quite tiresome. 

castle96

I'll be knocking on your door tonight, about 3am ! Love to see your reaction !

grumiofoundation

fred990 said:

It's a shame that even if servicing/charging/ved (currently zero) was free it would still be way more expensive to get even a cheap EV vs running an older ice car. 

Not sure how you have worked out your numbers? 

But if you have home charging then driving an EV will save you a lot of money every year vs petrol. 

We estimate savings of over £1000 per year vs petrol on a ~40 mile round trip commute. (Admittedly on fixed rate tariff at old energy prices). 

MX5huggy

castle96 said:

I'll be knocking on your door tonight, about 3am ! Love to see your reaction !

No need just plug in and put a fiver through my door, you’ll find the location and instructions on https://www.zap-map.com/ but if you genuinely need a charger at 3am and are nearby it really would not be an issue. 

Pixie5740

MX5huggy said:

Have a look at a BMW i3 Range Extender (REx). Unlike other Hybrids it’s has big electric range (100 to 130 depending on temperature driving style etc). The petrol motor does not power the wheels but rather charges the battery it only has a small petrol tank so adds 90 ish miles but you can just keep putting more petrol in if you want. I’m just getting rid of mine for a BEV (battery only)i3 because I just don’t use the REx and the new one has bigger range. 

Thanks, I’ll take a look. I have had a BMW previously and I found it really uncomfortable to drive. I kept putting my back out after long journeys which never happened with any other car. Maybe the i3 is more comfortable than a 3 series. 

Petriix

fred990 said:

Petriix said:

fred990 said:

It's a shame that even if servicing/charging/ved (currently zero) was free it would still be way more expensive to get even a cheap EV vs running an older ice car. 

In practice I've not found that to be true at all. My purchase of a brand new EV has added just £75 per month to my mortgage, which is roughly equivalent to the fuel savings.

The 15 year old diesel car I traded in required £800 of work to keep it on the road. Servicing, MOT, VED and general maintenance were averaging £500 per year and depreciation was the same again over the period I owned it.

The EV won't require an MOT for 3 years, the first service is £33, only tyres and brakes will need replacing and, with regenerative braking, they will last a long time.

In theory the depreciation will be much higher, but not so far. As long as I keep overpaying the additional mortgage so that the outstanding balance is lower than the value of the car then I'm in a sound position.

No offence but I'd never in million years put brand new car and mortgage in the same sentance.....you're in a monstrous money hole compered to my motoring....I can save CO2 in other ways!

Each to their own. My LTV is ~ 20% and I overpay most months to the extent that I could stop paying for the next 4 years without penalty. The interest rate is negligible in comparison to any other method of financing the purchase.

Like I said, it's costing me basically zero because the savings balance out the cost. The cost of diesel and maintenance on my previous car amount to a little less than the extra depreciation on the new car. The difference is about £50 per month, which is a pretty decent price for the luxury of driving a new car over a 15 year old banger. 

The 'monstrous money hole' is imaginary. The car is (and always will be) worth more than the outstanding mortgage.

MX5huggy

Pixie5740 said:

MX5huggy said:

Have a look at a BMW i3 Range Extender (REx). Unlike other Hybrids it’s has big electric range (100 to 130 depending on temperature driving style etc). The petrol motor does not power the wheels but rather charges the battery it only has a small petrol tank so adds 90 ish miles but you can just keep putting more petrol in if you want. I’m just getting rid of mine for a BEV (battery only)i3 because I just don’t use the REx and the new one has bigger range. 

Thanks, I’ll take a look. I have had a BMW previously and I found it really uncomfortable to drive. I kept putting my back out after long journeys which never happened with any other car. Maybe the i3 is more comfortable than a 3 series. 

Interesting, BMW’s generally have a firm ride an the i3 is no exception. All i3 seats are the same, but leather is an option. They are a basic seat, with just 3 adjustments up down, back forth and seat back angle always manual never electric. No lumber support tilt adjustment etc. This was all to save weight in the original i3 (and get more range) all seats are heated, check it works, it’s an expensive fix if it doesn’t, again heating the seat is better than heating the cabin for range. 

Chickereeeee

You have probably the ideal use-case for a plug-in hybrid. Many short journeys, all done on battery, occasional long ones, done on ICE. IF you had home charging, probably worth a look. Without - no.

tommyedinburgh

If it was me I’d purchased a sub £2000 ICE vehicle until that time in the future when you have the house with your own dedicated charging point.