NHS guidelines?

emmajones1976

bestfootie said:

kaMelo said:

bestfootie said:

Ibrahim5 said:

I would have thought he would be out of hospital before the case went through the courts. Maybe you could phone him?

Thank you for the advice. Thankfully we don't live in Stalinist Russia or North Korea and if I choose to visit my relative in person, that should not be infringed upon.

emmajones1976 said:

You say NHS in the thread title and then private hospital in the opening post...which is it?

Thank you and yes that would've been confusing. 😂 It's a private hospital but the NHS has the same Draconian policies. I know when I've tried to walk in for my own procedure it's like I'm trying to enter the Queen's personal residence. Bonkers.

Kat78MFW said:

What on earth is this? All of life has thankfully returned to normal, and he can't have any visitors??

Speak to nurses and doctors in NHS hospitals if you think that all of life has returned to normal.  There are still significant numbers of very poorly patients sick with COVID in hospitals and the staff are exhausted from caring for them wearing full PPE.  The last thing any hospital needs is an asymptomatic but contagious visitor coming in and passing COVID on to those on the ward.  

as if he was plotting to blow up the building.

this comment is pretty insensitive considering the events at Liverpool Women's Hospital on Remembrance Sunday.

Thank you for your thoughts. I do have NHS doctor contacts and I know people are dying. People die from everything. The sickly are less able to fight viruses and so their risk of perishing sadly increases.

Thankfully, elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated with two shots. So what is the risk? Yes they could catch it but so what?! We need to live. This smacks of control and nanny state using emergency measures drafted in an unprecedented Pandemic to further control people. 

In regards to your last comment, respectfully, it's got nothing to do with that and you finding that 'insensitive' is pretty much what's wrong with this world today imho. Everything offends or upsets everyone. You know what? Get on with it! Scroll down, you don't like what someone says, then that's fine too. Get on with it.

p00hsticks said:

I very much doubt that a nurse 'nearly fainted' at the mere mention of the possibilty of having visitors .....

This was the way it was explained to me. I would say your literalist take on what I wrote is unnecessary and splitting hairs. The point is clear:- it is the 'absolute unthinkable' for a patient's family to sit by that patient's side.. for goodness sake everyone's vaccinated now as said above and further if they want to be really cautious, just lat-flow test anyone coming into visit, it's really not rocket science.

elsien said:

Speaking of basic infringement of human rights, have a look at the various legal challenges being made on behalf of care home residents. 

Your relative will be home in a comparatively very short space of time. He really needs to consider his priorities a little more. 

It's not about his consideration, thank you very much, it's about my own and a point of principle that I do not wish to live in Stalinist Russia, China, or North Korea, where I'm bullied into compliance under the guise of 'covid'.

It's not Stalinist Russia or Korea (North or South, they both monitor their citizens)
The hospital is private and like any other private company they can choose whether to allow you to go inside or not. They could implement LFT for everyone but they've chosen not to, instead operating a no visitor policy as is their right as a private company. Would you make the same claim of "infringing your human rights" if Morrisons or Asda or the local pub had barred you? 

Ultimately your relative has the choice whether to employ their services or not, if they don't like the restrictions the hospital are implementing then go somewhere else.

 

I hear. So vis-a-vis the NHS do you think that a taxpayer should be barred from attending to their close relative and that that is good law?

No I dont agree its a great policy if someone is in hospital for a prolonged period of time, although if its only a few days surely he can put up with it?
Can he not hobble outside and meet someone? They cant stop him leaving the building.

bestfootie

emmajones1976 said:

No I dont agree its a great policy if someone is in hospital for a prolonged period of time, although if its only a few days surely he can put up with it?
Can he not hobble outside and meet someone? They cant stop him leaving the building.

It should only be a few days thankfully, but this policy applies to those in for longer too. 

He can't hobble outside either, no, though that would be a good way around it. He can't walk at all after knee replacement surgery. 😔

emmajones1976

Can he not put himself in a wheelchair?

bestfootie

emmajones1976 said:

Can he not put himself in a wheelchair?

He's extremely weak and on a lot of pain meds.

Jeremy535897

Private hospitals are heavily regulated and I am not surprised that they feel unable to operate a different policy to the NHS. Statistics show that patients in hospitals are at much higher risk of catching COVID than the general public, like those in care homes or prisons, because that is the nature of being in an institution. Visitors presumably add to the risk, but it is more likely that visitors will catch COVID at the hospital than pass COVID on to patients.

The protection level of those who had two AZ jabs, the second about six months ago, is somewhere between 0% and 44%, depending on what statistics you believe. Modena and Pfizer are a bit better. COVID vaccines are leaky vaccines that reduce but don't prevent catching and transmitting COVID, and we will see regular booster jabs like the flu jab. The unvaccinated are at more risk from the vaccinated than the other way round.

Browntoa

I cannot believe that your relative wasn't told in advance of the restrictions , even NHS hospitals tell you in your appointment letters about arriving alone and any visiting restrictions.

As pointed out , private hospitals can put any infection control they like , they are a business and if they get a COVID outbreak they lose money .

A no visitors rule is much easier and friendlier than a "you must be vaccinated and wear a mask to visit" rule . 

bestfootie

Jeremy535897 said:

Private hospitals are heavily regulated and I am not surprised that they feel unable to operate a different policy to the NHS. Statistics show that patients in hospitals are at much higher risk of catching COVID than the general public, like those in care homes or prisons, because that is the nature of being in an institution. Visitors presumably add to the risk, but it is more likely that visitors will catch COVID at the hospital than pass COVID on to patients.

The protection level of those who had two AZ jabs, the second about six months ago, is somewhere between 0% and 44%, depending on what statistics you believe. Modena and Pfizer are a bit better. COVID vaccines are leaky vaccines that reduce but don't prevent catching and transmitting COVID, and we will see regular booster jabs like the flu jab. The unvaccinated are at more risk from the vaccinated than the other way round.

Interesting, thanks.

I'm not trying to be flippant with you but the world operates with risk, in all respects. We mitigate with reasonable mitigations, not this which imho is oppressive.

silvercar

Why not Facetime? Most private hospitals have free wifi. Or call? Or have some quiet for a few days.
Were you required to isolate before your operation? Lots of hospitals require this alongside a covid test before admission.

To be honest, most people would be grateful to have had their operation and not be moaning at the lack of visitors.

Jeremy535897

bestfootie said:

Jeremy535897 said:

Private hospitals are heavily regulated and I am not surprised that they feel unable to operate a different policy to the NHS. Statistics show that patients in hospitals are at much higher risk of catching COVID than the general public, like those in care homes or prisons, because that is the nature of being in an institution. Visitors presumably add to the risk, but it is more likely that visitors will catch COVID at the hospital than pass COVID on to patients.

The protection level of those who had two AZ jabs, the second about six months ago, is somewhere between 0% and 44%, depending on what statistics you believe. Modena and Pfizer are a bit better. COVID vaccines are leaky vaccines that reduce but don't prevent catching and transmitting COVID, and we will see regular booster jabs like the flu jab. The unvaccinated are at more risk from the vaccinated than the other way round.

Interesting, thanks.

I'm not trying to be flippant with you but the world operates with risk, in all respects. We mitigate with reasonable mitigations, not this which imho is oppressive.

I offered no opinion on whether I agree or disagree with the policy, as I don't see that as the purpose of this site.

Ibrahim5

After a knee replacement the 'modern' way is to keep moving. I remember talking to some nurses. They said the smokers were the best at keeping moving after operations. They were so desperate for a fag they had to keep walking outside to smoke.