NHS guidelines?

bestfootie

A relative has had to go in to a hospital (private) for a knee replacement operation. He's been in for three days and has not been allowed any visitors. Apparently the nurse nearly fainted when he even mentioned it, as if he was plotting to blow up the building.

What on earth is this? All of life has thankfully returned to normal, and he can't have any visitors??

Any advice as to rights?

Anyone successfully challenge such basic infringement of patient rights?

Ibrahim5

I would have thought he would be out of hospital before the case went through the courts. Maybe you could phone him?

emmajones1976

You say NHS in the thread title and then private hospital in the opening post...which is it?

sheramber

While a private hospital will have its own rules here are the NHS  guidelines
https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/hospitals/going-into-hospital/visiting-someone-in-hospital/

Coronavirus (COVID-19) update

To help stop the spread of COVID-19, most hospitals have stopped or significantly limited visits.

Check the hospital's website to find out what their advice is. You can search for hospital details if you're not sure what they are.

If you do visit someone in hospital, wear something that covers you nose and mouth.

Kat78MFW

What on earth is this? All of life has thankfully returned to normal, and he can't have any visitors??

Speak to nurses and doctors in NHS hospitals if you think that all of life has returned to normal.  There are still significant numbers of very poorly patients sick with COVID in hospitals and the staff are exhausted from caring for them wearing full PPE.  The last thing any hospital needs is an asymptomatic but contagious visitor coming in and passing COVID on to those on the ward.  

as if he was plotting to blow up the building.

this comment is pretty insensitive considering the events at Liverpool Women's Hospital on Remembrance Sunday.

p00hsticks

bestfootie said:

A relative has had to go in to a hospital (private) for a knee replacement operation. He's been in for three days and has not been allowed any visitors. Apparently the nurse nearly fainted when he even mentioned it, as if he was plotting to blow up the building.

What on earth is this? All of life has thankfully returned to normal, and he can't have any visitors??

Any advice as to rights?

Anyone successfully challenge such basic infringement of patient rights?

I very much doubt that a nurse 'nearly fainted' at the mere mention of the possibilty of having visitors .....

elsien

Speaking of basic infringement of human rights, have a look at the various legal challenges being made on behalf of care home residents. 

Your relative will be home in a comparatively very short space of time. He really needs to consider his priorities a little more. 

LaHostessAvecLaMostess

Kat78MFW said:

What on earth is this? All of life has thankfully returned to normal, and he can't have any visitors??

Speak to nurses and doctors in NHS hospitals if you think that all of life has returned to normal.  There are still significant numbers of very poorly patients sick with COVID in hospitals and the staff are exhausted from caring for them wearing full PPE.  The last thing any hospital needs is an asymptomatic but contagious visitor coming in and passing COVID on to those on the ward.  

as if he was plotting to blow up the building.

this comment is pretty insensitive considering the events at Liverpool Women's Hospital on Remembrance Sunday.

To be fair, there are a lot of people going into hospitals without COVID who test positive after being there for several days.  COVID spreading in hospitals is rife, it's arguably for the OP's protection that they don't visit their relative as they're considerably more likely to catch it there than anywhere else.

bestfootie

Ibrahim5 said:

I would have thought he would be out of hospital before the case went through the courts. Maybe you could phone him?

Thank you for the advice. Thankfully we don't live in Stalinist Russia or North Korea and if I choose to visit my relative in person, that should not be infringed upon.

emmajones1976 said:

You say NHS in the thread title and then private hospital in the opening post...which is it?

Thank you and yes that would've been confusing. 😂 It's a private hospital but the NHS has the same Draconian policies. I know when I've tried to walk in for my own procedure it's like I'm trying to enter the Queen's personal residence. Bonkers.

Kat78MFW said:

What on earth is this? All of life has thankfully returned to normal, and he can't have any visitors??

Speak to nurses and doctors in NHS hospitals if you think that all of life has returned to normal.  There are still significant numbers of very poorly patients sick with COVID in hospitals and the staff are exhausted from caring for them wearing full PPE.  The last thing any hospital needs is an asymptomatic but contagious visitor coming in and passing COVID on to those on the ward.  

as if he was plotting to blow up the building.

this comment is pretty insensitive considering the events at Liverpool Women's Hospital on Remembrance Sunday.

Thank you for your thoughts. I do have NHS doctor contacts and I know people are dying. People die from everything. The sickly are less able to fight viruses and so their risk of perishing sadly increases.

Thankfully, elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated with two shots. So what is the risk? Yes they could catch it but so what?! We need to live. This smacks of control and nanny state using emergency measures drafted in an unprecedented Pandemic to further control people. 

In regards to your last comment, respectfully, it's got nothing to do with that and you finding that 'insensitive' is pretty much what's wrong with this world today imho. Everything offends or upsets everyone. You know what? Get on with it! Scroll down, you don't like what someone says, then that's fine too. Get on with it.

p00hsticks said:

I very much doubt that a nurse 'nearly fainted' at the mere mention of the possibilty of having visitors .....

This was the way it was explained to me. I would say your literalist take on what I wrote is unnecessary and splitting hairs. The point is clear:- it is the 'absolute unthinkable' for a patient's family to sit by that patient's side.. for goodness sake everyone's vaccinated now as said above and further if they want to be really cautious, just lat-flow test anyone coming into visit, it's really not rocket science.

elsien said:

Speaking of basic infringement of human rights, have a look at the various legal challenges being made on behalf of care home residents. 

Your relative will be home in a comparatively very short space of time. He really needs to consider his priorities a little more. 

It's not about his consideration, thank you very much, it's about my own and a point of principle that I do not wish to live in Stalinist Russia, China, or North Korea, where I'm bullied into compliance under the guise of 'covid'.

kaMelo

bestfootie said:

Ibrahim5 said:

I would have thought he would be out of hospital before the case went through the courts. Maybe you could phone him?

Thank you for the advice. Thankfully we don't live in Stalinist Russia or North Korea and if I choose to visit my relative in person, that should not be infringed upon.

emmajones1976 said:

You say NHS in the thread title and then private hospital in the opening post...which is it?

Thank you and yes that would've been confusing. 😂 It's a private hospital but the NHS has the same Draconian policies. I know when I've tried to walk in for my own procedure it's like I'm trying to enter the Queen's personal residence. Bonkers.

Kat78MFW said:

What on earth is this? All of life has thankfully returned to normal, and he can't have any visitors??

Speak to nurses and doctors in NHS hospitals if you think that all of life has returned to normal.  There are still significant numbers of very poorly patients sick with COVID in hospitals and the staff are exhausted from caring for them wearing full PPE.  The last thing any hospital needs is an asymptomatic but contagious visitor coming in and passing COVID on to those on the ward.  

as if he was plotting to blow up the building.

this comment is pretty insensitive considering the events at Liverpool Women's Hospital on Remembrance Sunday.

Thank you for your thoughts. I do have NHS doctor contacts and I know people are dying. People die from everything. The sickly are less able to fight viruses and so their risk of perishing sadly increases.

Thankfully, elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated with two shots. So what is the risk? Yes they could catch it but so what?! We need to live. This smacks of control and nanny state using emergency measures drafted in an unprecedented Pandemic to further control people. 

In regards to your last comment, respectfully, it's got nothing to do with that and you finding that 'insensitive' is pretty much what's wrong with this world today imho. Everything offends or upsets everyone. You know what? Get on with it! Scroll down, you don't like what someone says, then that's fine too. Get on with it.

p00hsticks said:

I very much doubt that a nurse 'nearly fainted' at the mere mention of the possibilty of having visitors .....

This was the way it was explained to me. I would say your literalist take on what I wrote is unnecessary and splitting hairs. The point is clear:- it is the 'absolute unthinkable' for a patient's family to sit by that patient's side.. for goodness sake everyone's vaccinated now as said above and further if they want to be really cautious, just lat-flow test anyone coming into visit, it's really not rocket science.

elsien said:

Speaking of basic infringement of human rights, have a look at the various legal challenges being made on behalf of care home residents. 

Your relative will be home in a comparatively very short space of time. He really needs to consider his priorities a little more. 

It's not about his consideration, thank you very much, it's about my own and a point of principle that I do not wish to live in Stalinist Russia, China, or North Korea, where I'm bullied into compliance under the guise of 'covid'.

It's not Stalinist Russia or Korea (North or South, they both monitor their citizens)
The hospital is private and like any other private company they can choose whether to allow you to go inside or not. They could implement LFT for everyone but they've chosen not to, instead operating a no visitor policy as is their right as a private company. Would you make the same claim of "infringing your human rights" if Morrisons or Asda or the local pub had barred you? 

Ultimately your relative has the choice whether to employ their services or not, if they don't like the restrictions the hospital are implementing then go somewhere else.

 

bestfootie

kaMelo said:

bestfootie said:

Ibrahim5 said:

I would have thought he would be out of hospital before the case went through the courts. Maybe you could phone him?

Thank you for the advice. Thankfully we don't live in Stalinist Russia or North Korea and if I choose to visit my relative in person, that should not be infringed upon.

emmajones1976 said:

You say NHS in the thread title and then private hospital in the opening post...which is it?

Thank you and yes that would've been confusing. 😂 It's a private hospital but the NHS has the same Draconian policies. I know when I've tried to walk in for my own procedure it's like I'm trying to enter the Queen's personal residence. Bonkers.

Kat78MFW said:

What on earth is this? All of life has thankfully returned to normal, and he can't have any visitors??

Speak to nurses and doctors in NHS hospitals if you think that all of life has returned to normal.  There are still significant numbers of very poorly patients sick with COVID in hospitals and the staff are exhausted from caring for them wearing full PPE.  The last thing any hospital needs is an asymptomatic but contagious visitor coming in and passing COVID on to those on the ward.  

as if he was plotting to blow up the building.

this comment is pretty insensitive considering the events at Liverpool Women's Hospital on Remembrance Sunday.

Thank you for your thoughts. I do have NHS doctor contacts and I know people are dying. People die from everything. The sickly are less able to fight viruses and so their risk of perishing sadly increases.

Thankfully, elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated with two shots. So what is the risk? Yes they could catch it but so what?! We need to live. This smacks of control and nanny state using emergency measures drafted in an unprecedented Pandemic to further control people. 

In regards to your last comment, respectfully, it's got nothing to do with that and you finding that 'insensitive' is pretty much what's wrong with this world today imho. Everything offends or upsets everyone. You know what? Get on with it! Scroll down, you don't like what someone says, then that's fine too. Get on with it.

p00hsticks said:

I very much doubt that a nurse 'nearly fainted' at the mere mention of the possibilty of having visitors .....

This was the way it was explained to me. I would say your literalist take on what I wrote is unnecessary and splitting hairs. The point is clear:- it is the 'absolute unthinkable' for a patient's family to sit by that patient's side.. for goodness sake everyone's vaccinated now as said above and further if they want to be really cautious, just lat-flow test anyone coming into visit, it's really not rocket science.

elsien said:

Speaking of basic infringement of human rights, have a look at the various legal challenges being made on behalf of care home residents. 

Your relative will be home in a comparatively very short space of time. He really needs to consider his priorities a little more. 

It's not about his consideration, thank you very much, it's about my own and a point of principle that I do not wish to live in Stalinist Russia, China, or North Korea, where I'm bullied into compliance under the guise of 'covid'.

It's not Stalinist Russia or Korea (North or South, they both monitor their citizens)
The hospital is private and like any other private company they can choose whether to allow you to go inside or not. They could implement LFT for everyone but they've chosen not to, instead operating a no visitor policy as is their right as a private company. Would you make the same claim of "infringing your human rights" if Morrisons or Asda or the local pub had barred you? 

Ultimately your relative has the choice whether to employ their services or not, if they don't like the restrictions the hospital are implementing then go somewhere else.

 

I hear. So vis-a-vis the NHS do you think that a taxpayer should be barred from attending to their close relative and that that is good law?