NHS guidelines?

sheramber

If he is very weak  all the more reason to not visit. 

What about the right of other patients to be safe while in hospital.  

You may not want to live with theses restrictions- and possible greater ones in the coming months-  but the welfare of others  is the responsibility of us all.

You are most infectious in the three days before symptoms show. 

If people stuck to the restrictions we might have be able to move to a more normal life but because some  are selfish and think only of themselves we are where we are.  

We will not be back to 'normal; any time soon.

bestfootie

Ibrahim5 said:

After a knee replacement the 'modern' way is to keep moving. I remember talking to some nurses. They said the smokers were the best at keeping moving after operations. They were so desperate for a fag they had to keep walking outside to smoke.

Lol, I can imagine! 😂

emmajones1976

bestfootie said:

emmajones1976 said:

Can he not put himself in a wheelchair?

He's extremely weak and on a lot of pain meds.

OK then...get a nurse to pop him in a wheelchair and ask him/her to wheel him outside for some fresh air, they cant stop him from doing this. Once outside, pop round and say hi.

bestfootie

emmajones1976 said:

bestfootie said:

emmajones1976 said:

Can he not put himself in a wheelchair?

He's extremely weak and on a lot of pain meds.

OK then...get a nurse to pop him in a wheelchair and ask him/her to wheel him outside for some fresh air, they cant stop him from doing this. Once outside, pop round and say hi.

That's a helpful opinion, thank you! 🙏

kaMelo

bestfootie said:

kaMelo said:

bestfootie said:

Ibrahim5 said:

I would have thought he would be out of hospital before the case went through the courts. Maybe you could phone him?

Thank you for the advice. Thankfully we don't live in Stalinist Russia or North Korea and if I choose to visit my relative in person, that should not be infringed upon.

emmajones1976 said:

You say NHS in the thread title and then private hospital in the opening post...which is it?

Thank you and yes that would've been confusing. 😂 It's a private hospital but the NHS has the same Draconian policies. I know when I've tried to walk in for my own procedure it's like I'm trying to enter the Queen's personal residence. Bonkers.

Kat78MFW said:

What on earth is this? All of life has thankfully returned to normal, and he can't have any visitors??

Speak to nurses and doctors in NHS hospitals if you think that all of life has returned to normal.  There are still significant numbers of very poorly patients sick with COVID in hospitals and the staff are exhausted from caring for them wearing full PPE.  The last thing any hospital needs is an asymptomatic but contagious visitor coming in and passing COVID on to those on the ward.  

as if he was plotting to blow up the building.

this comment is pretty insensitive considering the events at Liverpool Women's Hospital on Remembrance Sunday.

Thank you for your thoughts. I do have NHS doctor contacts and I know people are dying. People die from everything. The sickly are less able to fight viruses and so their risk of perishing sadly increases.

Thankfully, elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated with two shots. So what is the risk? Yes they could catch it but so what?! We need to live. This smacks of control and nanny state using emergency measures drafted in an unprecedented Pandemic to further control people. 

In regards to your last comment, respectfully, it's got nothing to do with that and you finding that 'insensitive' is pretty much what's wrong with this world today imho. Everything offends or upsets everyone. You know what? Get on with it! Scroll down, you don't like what someone says, then that's fine too. Get on with it.

p00hsticks said:

I very much doubt that a nurse 'nearly fainted' at the mere mention of the possibilty of having visitors .....

This was the way it was explained to me. I would say your literalist take on what I wrote is unnecessary and splitting hairs. The point is clear:- it is the 'absolute unthinkable' for a patient's family to sit by that patient's side.. for goodness sake everyone's vaccinated now as said above and further if they want to be really cautious, just lat-flow test anyone coming into visit, it's really not rocket science.

elsien said:

Speaking of basic infringement of human rights, have a look at the various legal challenges being made on behalf of care home residents. 

Your relative will be home in a comparatively very short space of time. He really needs to consider his priorities a little more. 

It's not about his consideration, thank you very much, it's about my own and a point of principle that I do not wish to live in Stalinist Russia, China, or North Korea, where I'm bullied into compliance under the guise of 'covid'.

It's not Stalinist Russia or Korea (North or South, they both monitor their citizens)
The hospital is private and like any other private company they can choose whether to allow you to go inside or not. They could implement LFT for everyone but they've chosen not to, instead operating a no visitor policy as is their right as a private company. Would you make the same claim of "infringing your human rights" if Morrisons or Asda or the local pub had barred you? 

Ultimately your relative has the choice whether to employ their services or not, if they don't like the restrictions the hospital are implementing then go somewhere else.

 

I hear. So vis-a-vis the NHS do you think that a taxpayer should be barred from attending to their close relative and that that is good law?

 
If it was an NHS hospital we might be having a different conversation but were not. You stated it's a private hospital, as such it has total discretion on who it admits to it's premises. The directors of the hospital have made a decision based upon what I would assume are multiple factors such as space, the extra cleaning required if they allowed visitors or just the simple maths that says the more people who are there, the more chance their staff may contract Covid and have to isolate, leaving them short staffed. We don't really know why but they've made a decision and they have the right to do that.

References to the NHS, taxpayers and the law (what law?) are irrelevant just as they would be if we were talking about Aldi, McDonalds or Jane's Nail Bar preventing non customers from entering their premises.
Your relative is choosing to employ their services, if they don't like their rules they shouldn't employ their services. It really is that simple.


Whether the policy of no visitors is good for their overall health is, again, a totally different question. 

Ibrahim5

With a knee replacement there is a lot of new metalwork put in. The last thing you want is to get it infected. I would imagine it would be hard to do research on the number of visitors and the incidence of infection but it's probably prudent to minimise the numbers.

Marvel1

bestfootie said:

In regards to your last comment, respectfully, it's got nothing to do with that and you finding that 'insensitive' is pretty much what's wrong with this world today imho. Everything offends or upsets everyone. You know what? Get on with it! Scroll down, you don't like what someone says, then that's fine too. Get on with it.

While upset not being able to visit.