Motoring penalties

TooManyPoints

Has the new estate got a system of street lighting? What is the limit in the surrounding area?

sevenhills

TooManyPoints said:

Has the new estate got a system of street lighting? What is the limit in the surrounding area?

One side is a 40 mph limit and the other a 30 mph limit.

TooManyPoints

So nothing needed from the 30mph side then (provided the new estate has street lights). 

sevenhills

TooManyPoints said:

So nothing needed from the 30mph side then (provided the new estate has street lights). 

That is if they want it to be a 30 mph, they have already had complaints about drivers speeding.

TooManyPoints

If they want it to be anything else they will have to ensure it is signed (after they have secured the necessary TRO).

sevenhills

The Government have now brought in fines of £6,400 if you don't wear a mask, will that work, no because its not a serious fine that will/can be enforced.

Would 'education' work better, probably not. More people need to be caught in order for fines to work.

TooManyPoints

The Government have now brought in fines of £6,400 if you don't wear a mask, will that work, no because its not a serious fine that will/can be enforced.

The level of so-called fines (but which are in fact fixed penalties) for some of the Covid related offences is absurd. Regarding the £6,400 penalty for face covering offences, they might as well make it £6.4million. Fines have to be levied on an "ability to pay." To fine an individual who lives on benefits and who has no savings such a sum is patently ridiculous. They will fail to pay, be taken to the Magistrates' Court which has a duty to ensure any fine imposed is within the defendant's means to pay. This is enshrined in the Sentencing Act, 2020, s125. The maximum that a court can order someone on benefits to pay is £5 per week and fines must normally be repaid in a maximum of twelve months. This means the maximum fine such a person can expect to pay is £260.

Marvel1

I agree with fines linked to income.

Driver A earns £100,000 annually
Driver B earns £20,000 annually

Both commit same offensive and fined same fixed amount, driver B is worse off - more deterrent.

Marvel1

ontheroad1970 said:

Norman_Castle said:

sevenhills said:

Username03725 said:

Maybe the authorities would prefer drivers to slow down, rather than take photos of them speeding and send that photo through the post a few days later. Maybe.

I guess it doesn't work though, motorists pay over half a million pounds per day in speeding fines.

What would work, more education or bigger and fairer fines?

They do work, millions of motorists slow down every day because of them.

Many speed up once out of the range of the camera.  The hilarious ones are the ones that slow down for each camera in an average speed camera zone.

Also the ones who drive under the limit in the average speed camera zone, then go over the NSL once out of the zone!

Car_54

Marvel1 said:

I agree with fines linked to income.

Driver A earns £100,000 annually
Driver B earns £20,000 annually

Both commit same offensive and fined same fixed amount, driver B is worse off - more deterrent.

Court-imposed fines are income-related, with a set maximum. Fixed penalties are not (“fixed” is a clue). If you don’t like the fixed penalty, go to court.