Motoring penalties

sevenhills

MX5huggy said:

Courses are more effective at reducing reoffending than points and a fine.

It demonstrates that drivers who take the 'education' have a better outcome than drivers that took the fine and endorsement.

My first thought is that drivers that take the fine and endorsement are a very different type of driver than someone that does the education.

sevenhills

A subsequent freedom of information request, submitted by Mr Hamilton, has discovered that in the past year alone over 26,000 people have been caught speeding on this stretch of road at a cost of total £2.6m.

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/transport/pure-moneymaking-leeds-firefighter-speed-camera-fury-as-26000-caught-on-same-stretch-of-road-3458705?fbclid=IwAR3c9FF2GOXrr_jjyQAwM45Q-mf8FfMrfLlaUkGQd2FioI0ibLI0nbhH6zo

£2.6 million, from just one road! Just think how much your taxes would need to increase if the Government decided to send us all to be educated instead of a fine.

DB1904

sevenhills said:

TBagpuss said:

Sometimes advice and education is much more effective than punishment.

Someone with 9 points on their licence is much more likely not to speed than someone that can speed without getting banned.

I understand there is a need for fixed penalties, to make it simpler. A £100 fine for no MOT, seems like a let-off if they earn £1,000 per week.

People that modify cars seem to escape lightly, illegally tinted windows and they often just take it off.

So someone with 9 points may have been caught 3 times. Statistically more likely to be caught again than someone who doesn't speed. 

£100 fine is reasonable for no mot if no vehicle defects are found. It would have cost half that to test it.

What do you want for tinted windows? Seems reasonable to make them remove the tints given there is not much that can be done unless the pose an imminent danger so driving off with the windows open would achieve the same thing.

You've not really thought about this one have you.  

sevenhills

DB1904 said:

What do you want for tinted windows? Seems reasonable to make them remove the tints given there is not much that can be done unless the pose an imminent danger so driving off with the windows open would achieve the same thing.

So anyone that wants to illegally tint their car windows, can do so because there will be no penalty.

Minor motoring offences

The police can give you a ‘fixed penalty notice’ for less serious traffic offences, including for:

• careless or inconsiderate driving
• using a mobile phone while driving
• not wearing a seat belt
• driving too close to another vehicle

You can be fined up to £200 and get penalty points on your licence if you get a fixed penalty notice - you may be disqualified from driving if you build up 12 points within 3 years.

The police can also decide to:

• take no action
• issue a warning
• offer driver training
• charge you with an offence

You can choose not to pay the fixed penalty if you believe that it was given unjustly, but you’ll have to argue your case in court.

Some people would not class using a mobile phone whilst driving as an offence where the police take no action.

DB1904

sevenhills said:

DB1904 said:

What do you want for tinted windows? Seems reasonable to make them remove the tints given there is not much that can be done unless the pose an imminent danger so driving off with the windows open would achieve the same thing.

So anyone that wants to illegally tint their car windows, can do so because there will be no penalty.

Minor motoring offences

The police can give you a ‘fixed penalty notice’ for less serious traffic offences, including for:

• careless or inconsiderate driving
• using a mobile phone while driving
• not wearing a seat belt
• driving too close to another vehicle

You can be fined up to £200 and get penalty points on your licence if you get a fixed penalty notice - you may be disqualified from driving if you build up 12 points within 3 years.

The police can also decide to:

• take no action
• issue a warning
• offer driver training
• charge you with an offence

You can choose not to pay the fixed penalty if you believe that it was given unjustly, but you’ll have to argue your case in court.

Some people would not class using a mobile phone whilst driving as an offence where the police take no action.

Not really, you've posted a number of options available to deal with these offenders.

Tinted Windows is hardly a hanging offence, do you wear sunglasses when driving?

Norman_Castle

Heavy handed enforcement causes resentment. Warnings and rectification notices explain the error of judgement and give the opportunity to repair a problem without penalty. The aim of roads policing is to improve driving standards and road safety, not to raise revenues.

Repeat offenders will be suitably punished while the ignorant or lax will be educated.

sevenhills

Norman_Castle said:

Repeat offenders will be suitably punished while the ignorant or lax will be educated.

There are thousands of speed cameras to check your speed after that first education, but how many times does the average person get pulled over so they can check your tyres?

Username03725

sevenhills said:

it's almost like they don't want to catch people speeding.

Maybe the authorities would prefer drivers to slow down, rather than take photos of them speeding and send that photo through the post a few days later. Maybe.

sevenhills

Username03725 said:

Maybe the authorities would prefer drivers to slow down, rather than take photos of them speeding and send that photo through the post a few days later. Maybe.

I guess it doesn't work though, motorists pay over half a million pounds per day in speeding fines.

What would work, more education or bigger and fairer fines?

Norman_Castle

sevenhills said:

Norman_Castle said:

Repeat offenders will be suitably punished while the ignorant or lax will be educated.

There are thousands of speed cameras to check your speed after that first education, but how many times does the average person get pulled over so they can check your tyres?

Fortunately the police have better things to do with their time. Tyres will be checked when a vehicle is stopped. From personal experience of being stopped 10? times my tyres have never failed the roadside check. I'd expect it would be the same for most motorists.