Falsified EPCs created by an Assessor - urgency to do something...

ComicGeek

So the main thing is going to be the build date of the properties - if the assessor enters this wrongly, then even solid brick gets entered as 'as built insulated'. For example, a solid brick house from 1900 would have a U-value of 2.1; entering it as say 1985 as solid brick would assume internal insulation with an assumed U-value of 0.6, so a reduction in heat loss through the walls of about 70%. 

That affects a lot of other things within the calculation, which is why it's so important to get this right. 

NameUnavailable

This whole thread is odd!

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ComicGeek said:

So the main thing is going to be the build date of the properties - if the assessor enters this wrongly, then even solid brick gets entered as 'as built insulated'. For example, a solid brick house from 1900 would have a U-value of 2.1; entering it as say 1985 as solid brick would assume internal insulation with an assumed U-value of 0.6, so a reduction in heat loss through the walls of about 70%.  That affects a lot of other things within the calculation, which is why it's so important to get this right. 

Yes, something like that, this is a very old listed building so don't think its something built in the last 50years and I think wall insulation stuff can only be "assumed" if in the last 20 odd years. One of the reasons the new EPC can't be right. And where has the room in the roof gone.    

MaryNB

Not an EPC surveyor obvs but I think that original G rating is way off. Double glazed windows and some low energy lights and it gets a G?! I lived in a flat with single glazed windows, no wall insulation, said it had no roof insulation (that bit was incorrect) and it got an E. 

I think I saw a G rating on a link shared on the "Have a Look at This" thread and the place was as habitable as a shed. 

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MaryNB said:

Not an EPC surveyor obvs but I think that original G rating is way off. Double glazed windows and low energy lights and it gets a G?! I lived in a flat with single glazed windows, no wall insulation and it got an E. I think I saw a G rating on a link shared on the "Have a Look at This" thread and the place was as habitable as a shed. 

Well I am surprised its marked as double glazed as they defo not the plastic ones (as would not be allowed). Its possible that can have double glaze on sash windows? -  but not even sure it has that. 

MaryNB

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MaryNB said:

Not an EPC surveyor obvs but I think that original G rating is way off. Double glazed windows and low energy lights and it gets a G?! I lived in a flat with single glazed windows, no wall insulation and it got an E. I think I saw a G rating on a link shared on the "Have a Look at This" thread and the place was as habitable as a shed. 

Well I am surprised its marked as double glazed as they defo not the plastic ones (as would not be allowed). Its possible that can have double glaze on sash windows? -  but not even sure it has that. 

Yes. You can get double glazed wooden sash windows. 

MaryNB

Also plenty of flats have immersion heaters and electric panel heaters. They don't warrant a G rating. I lived in a recently converted flat that had those - and I didn't have the benefit of an off peak tariff. 

I might not be a C rated property but I can't see how it's a G 

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NameUnavailable said:

This whole thread is odd!

It’s only odd (I think) because the OP has not really stated their interest in this matter. Only that they think the house would make a lovely family home, and that the landlord has somehow managed to obtain an incorrect EPC rating. The rest we are only able to guess at.

It could well be personal/jealousy.
Or maybe they objected unsuccessfully for the house to be rented out at all, who knows.

I certainly don’t think it is a random crusade to warn as yet unknown tenants that the energy efficiency of their house is not as good as they were led to believe!

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MaryNB said:

Also plenty of flats have immersion heaters and electric panel heaters. They don't warrant a G rating. I lived in a recently converted flat that had those - and I didn't have the benefit of an off peak tariff. I might not be a C rated property but I can't see how it's a G 

Well I think assessors are supposed to take evidence and pictures of things and this can get examined by the accreditation company if there are questions. I complained last week, they said they something was off and they would review & come back yesterday, and nothing.   

NameUnavailable

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MaryNB said:

Also plenty of flats have immersion heaters and electric panel heaters. They don't warrant a G rating. I lived in a recently converted flat that had those - and I didn't have the benefit of an off peak tariff. I might not be a C rated property but I can't see how it's a G 

Well I think assessors are supposed to take evidence and pictures of things and this can get examined by the accreditation company if there are questions. I complained last week, they said they something was off and they would review & come back yesterday, and nothing.   

You still haven't said why you're so interested in this particular property? I'm buying a flat at the moment and looking at EPC's for others in the same block I see a lot of variance. The EPC system is not really fit for purpose at it is.

But what is the purpose of your crusade? Energy (no pun) would better be directed at system reform rather than one random property.