Disabled, Parked on public road, ticketed by private firm!

Unicorn51

If you check the link you have posted for adopted roads.

Under the status list, all the roads are either A (adopted) or U (unadopted). The status of William Jessop Way is left blank.

So i think you need to contact the Council to verify status of road.

fisherjim

I think the OP has digested some out of date information on this, that road is not an adopted road this is confirmed within the development planning application of 2017, and not even VCS would get away with all those signs if it was.

The Case Officer Report states (doc4120100):

The construction of the highway works to create pedestrian and vehicular access to the site is contained within private land; William Jessop Way does not form part of the adopted highway network).

http://northgate.liverpool.gov.uk/DocumentExplorer/Application/folderview.aspx?type=MVMPRD_DC_PLANAPP&key=998560

But of course as usual a PPC adopts road markings as used by local authorities with a specific meaning but uses them for their own terms and conditions meaning something completely different.

Coupon-mad

Not to be paid though.  Already said what the main defence point is, about mimicking DYL and that their meaning will be taken to be the usual meaning in the absence of signs at the kerb at the lines, prominently warning of different rules at that kerb.

Hopefully the new statutory CoP in the end will support that contention, as the draft the public was shown said something about DYL.

Sad__Sam

chrisw said:

Sad__Sam said:

Thank you.  Just what I need.

I got the Adopted roads list from
www.whatdotheyknow.com/cy/request/list_of_adopted_roads_in_liverpo?unfold=1

Line 6631, I've checked the road length & where I was parked is adopted.

William Jessop Way

Bath      Street

Cul-de-sac

L3

518m

I'm not so sure.

 Looking on Google maps on the stretch you parked on and going further back along William Jessop Way there are literally loads of signs indicating in large letters that it's private land. 

I did a Google road length check 518, exactly as it says on the roads list.

The Public road is red aggregate, the private sections, of the public road are black aggregate.

Sad__Sam

Umkomaas said:

At face value that entire road from its entrance (commencing at the roundabout linking it with Waterloo Road and Bath Street) appears to be private. There's a strip of block pavers right across the road at the entrance, and VCS signage starts immediately from that point onwards. 

However, if the road is actually public highway, then VCS are potentially in lumber. A written confirmation from the council is imperative and urgent. 

Did you see the FOI request that showed that the street was Adopted?  I have uploaded a photo of the google road length which correlates.

I believe the VCS signs apply to the private parking, the black & numbered parking spaces.

The road is a different colour.

Sad__Sam

Unicorn51 said:

If you check the link you have posted for adopted roads.

Under the status list, all the roads are either A (adopted) or U (unadopted). The status of William Jessop Way is left blank.

So i think you need to contact the Council to verify status of road.

OMG I had'nt spotted that. Thank you

Johnersh

All of the research is helpful... to a point.

If the o/p avers the road is public, it is for the claimant to prove that it is in fact private and they are entitled to operate. Obviously if you establish that the road is private, you can't allege otherwise, albeit you might put them to proof of that. 

Thereafter, the underlying issue is that if it was not clear that it was private land and the signs/markings that were there were indistinguishable from public roads, it could be argues that  the claimant induced the o/p to park, given the special entitlements s/he has as a blue badge holder to park on a double yellow.

If the ppc really intended to impose no waiting and no parking the correct markings would and should have been double red in which case, even absent better signage the o/p presumably wouldn't have parked. 

Sad__Sam

I Thought the signage was clear.  The Private land was the parking bays.

In the black part at the bottom, white writing "Vehicles are left on this car park".

Doesn't mention the access road?  The car park spaces are numbered.

Coupon-mad

Makes sense that you thought the Double Yellows were public highway and @Johnersh is a solicitor so he has covered the legal position concisely. 

Happily, the Government has also covered this issue in the draft PAS232 basis for the new Code of Practice next year.  Pretty sure it said something about double/single yellows having the same meaning as on street, unless signs at the kerb beside the lines say otherwise (as long as that stays in the final Code when published).

D_P_Dance

I Thought the signage was clear. 

I do not, imo it is a mess, read this

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5972164/parking-eye-signs-oxford-road-reading/p1