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Ultrasonic

fryedslyce said:

Ultrasonic said:

I would rather see electricity use rationed than coal mines or coal power stations reopened.

I'm OK with that, just so long as the ones who get their electricity rationed are all the climate emergency doomster cultist. The rest of us can carry on as normal.

Very enlightened. People carrying on as normal is the problem.

markin

Alnat1 said:

I'd prefer if everyone with a hot tub got rationed 

The people who visit this site have them off, So only the millionaires still have them on, Soon to be eaten?

QrizB said:

Flight3287462 said:

Netherlands and Denmark are going to be cut off from Russian gas tomorrow.  That will make things interesting.

Just needs more LNG deliveries to the UK so we can send it to Europe as gas and electricity. (And a side effect will be to keep UK gas prices low, like happened in the middle of this month.)

The pipe was said to be at max capacity so im not sure we could supply near enough to help Netherlands and Denmark on top of what is already being supplied.

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Ultrasonic said:

markin said:

The_Green_Hornet said:

markin said:

Blackout fears over Russia standoff: Six million homes 'could face power rationing' under Government's 'reasonable worst case' scenario - as ministers scramble to keep old coal plants open 

A worst case scenario is just that a worst case scenario yet the media will push it as being the most likely scenario just to scare the uninformed.

Would have been far less likely if we had paid to keep more coal mothballed rather than blown up, one of the 3 plants was due to be closed in September, hopefully they haven't got a head start on dismantling it.

I would rather see electricity use rationed than coal mines or coal power stations reopened.

Were you around during the 3-day week in the 70s? I recall that it wasn’t a lot of fun. It was done on a regional basis and some weeks I ended up - like many - working three days in the cold followed by a cold weekend at home. Power outages tend to be linked to very cold weather.

Ultrasonic

[Deleted User] said:

Ultrasonic said:

markin said:

The_Green_Hornet said:

markin said:

Blackout fears over Russia standoff: Six million homes 'could face power rationing' under Government's 'reasonable worst case' scenario - as ministers scramble to keep old coal plants open 

A worst case scenario is just that a worst case scenario yet the media will push it as being the most likely scenario just to scare the uninformed.

Would have been far less likely if we had paid to keep more coal mothballed rather than blown up, one of the 3 plants was due to be closed in September, hopefully they haven't got a head start on dismantling it.

I would rather see electricity use rationed than coal mines or coal power stations reopened.

Were you around during the 3-day week in the 70s? I recall that it wasn’t a lot of fun. It was done on a regional basis and some weeks I ended up - like many - working three days in the cold followed by a cold weekend at home. Power outages tend to be linked to very cold weather.

I was born in the late 70's, so if I was 'around' at the right time I certainly don't remember it!

What I referred to above was rationing not cutting off power. I'll freely admit I'm not sure if there is a good way of doing this though. One major complicating factor being those who use electricity for heating vs those that don't. Without this a tiered electricity pricing model would be one way to do it.

It takes relatively little power to literally keep the lights on, but there is a huge amount of more discretionary electricity use that could be reduced, and other use that could potentially be distributed to other times of day to help manage load if required.

Gerry1

Ultrasonic said:

Dolor said:

Ultrasonic said:

markin said:

The_Green_Hornet said:

markin said:

Blackout fears over Russia standoff: Six million homes 'could face power rationing' under Government's 'reasonable worst case' scenario - as ministers scramble to keep old coal plants open 

A worst case scenario is just that a worst case scenario yet the media will push it as being the most likely scenario just to scare the uninformed.

Would have been far less likely if we had paid to keep more coal mothballed rather than blown up, one of the 3 plants was due to be closed in September, hopefully they haven't got a head start on dismantling it.

I would rather see electricity use rationed than coal mines or coal power stations reopened.

Were you around during the 3-day week in the 70s? I recall that it wasn’t a lot of fun. It was done on a regional basis and some weeks I ended up - like many - working three days in the cold followed by a cold weekend at home. Power outages tend to be linked to very cold weather.

What I referred to above was rationing not cutting off power. I'll freely admit I'm not sure if there is a good way of doing this though. One major complicating factor being those who use electricity for heating vs those that don't. Without this a tiered electricity pricing model would be one way to do it.

It takes relatively little power to literally keep the lights on, but there is a huge amount of more discretionary electricity use that could be reduced, and other use that could potentially be distributed to other times of day to help manage load if required.

Coming soon  to a Smart Meter near you: Surge Pricing, Load Limiting, and Load Shedding !  All built in to the smart meter specification to enforce Demand Side Response.  Now you know why suppliers are being forced to install Smart Meters...

Ultrasonic

Gerry1 said:

Ultrasonic said:

Dolor said:

Ultrasonic said:

markin said:

The_Green_Hornet said:

markin said:

Blackout fears over Russia standoff: Six million homes 'could face power rationing' under Government's 'reasonable worst case' scenario - as ministers scramble to keep old coal plants open 

A worst case scenario is just that a worst case scenario yet the media will push it as being the most likely scenario just to scare the uninformed.

Would have been far less likely if we had paid to keep more coal mothballed rather than blown up, one of the 3 plants was due to be closed in September, hopefully they haven't got a head start on dismantling it.

I would rather see electricity use rationed than coal mines or coal power stations reopened.

Were you around during the 3-day week in the 70s? I recall that it wasn’t a lot of fun. It was done on a regional basis and some weeks I ended up - like many - working three days in the cold followed by a cold weekend at home. Power outages tend to be linked to very cold weather.

What I referred to above was rationing not cutting off power. I'll freely admit I'm not sure if there is a good way of doing this though. One major complicating factor being those who use electricity for heating vs those that don't. Without this a tiered electricity pricing model would be one way to do it.

It takes relatively little power to literally keep the lights on, but there is a huge amount of more discretionary electricity use that could be reduced, and other use that could potentially be distributed to other times of day to help manage load if required.

Coming soon  to a Smart Meter near you: Surge Pricing, Load Limiting, and Load Shedding !  All built in to the smart meter specification to enforce Demand Side Response.  Now you know why suppliers are being forced to install Smart Meters...

I would view this as a GOOD thing though.

tghe-retford

Add Germany to the list of countries who will have gas supplies cut off.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gazprom-cut-gas-supplies-denmarks-orsted-germany-under-shell-deal-2022-05-31/

Won't affect all gas supplies to Germany, just supply via Shell.

markin

Spain expects EU to pay for gas connections with neighbours

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/spain-expects-eu-pay-gas-connections-with-neighbours-2022-05-31/

Germany's Uniper, RWE have paid for Russian gas under new scheme 

Uniper said the process has been coordinated with the German government and follows the EU guidelines.

markin

New gas field in North Sea finally given thumbs up by regulators in move Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng claims will 'protect energy security'

"The Jackdaw field, east of Aberdeen, is owned by Shell and was originally licensed in 1970. Last year the Government refused permission to develop it."

"Shell said the field has potential to produce 6.5 per cent of Britain's gas output 'at a time when UK energy security is critically required' and will result in £500m investment in the UK. The new plan changes the way it processes gas at the Shearwater hub, to which the Jackdaw field will be connected.  -- "

" -- Shell plans to start production in the second half of 2025. 

However, Ami McCarthy, of Greenpeace UK, said yesterday: 'Approving Jackdaw is a desperate and destructive decision from [Boris] Johnson's government, and proves there's no long-term plan.'"

Xbigman

And if the Government had refused permission the media would quote someone from the energy industry saying the Government had no long term plan. 

Incidentally, it is the Scottish government that has approved it. Why our useless energy minister is pictured is anybody's guess.


Darren