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MattMattMattUK

casjen said:

Posts saying those people who refuse smart meters should pay more are mean spirited and vindictive.

Why?

The grid needs modernisation, slowing that down costs us all money. There is a cost associated with sending meter readers to properties, that falls on all of us even though it is only required for non-smart meters. Pandering to conspiracy theorists never results in a beneficial outcome. 

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casjen said:

Posts saying those people who refuse smart meters should pay more are mean spirited and vindictive.

'tis the season.

MultiFuelBurner

casjen said:

Posts saying those people who refuse smart meters should pay more are mean spirited and vindictive.

Or are they realistic and more understanding of how the national grid has to work in the future for all to be able to have stable supply?

70sbudgie

MattMattMattUK said:

casjen said:

Posts saying those people who refuse smart meters should pay more are mean spirited and vindictive.

Why?

The grid needs modernisation, slowing that down costs us all money. There is a cost associated with sending meter readers to properties, that falls on all of us even though it is only required for non-smart meters. Pandering to conspiracy theorists never results in a beneficial outcome. 

It is not correct to say that meter readers are only required for non smart meters. Energy suppliers have a legal duty to inspect your meter at least every 2 years regardless of whether or not it is smart. 

I feel like I am constantly getting the card through the door saying they've been to read my (smart) meter and missed me. It would be less annoying if they could actually read my meter properly, because every time they visit they mess up my bills because they seem incapable of reading two import registers and an export register. And the supplier won't accept my meter readings over their paid contractor 

Marvel1

MattMattMattUK said:

It is probably time to allow different rates to be applied to those who refuse installation of smart meters, maybe double the standing charges and 10p per kWh surcharge. 

The revsere should happen if smart metrers are not doingf what they should - sending automatic readings to the suppplier, companies claiming a DDC error and can't/won't do anything.

markin

Air fryers are a great way to save some people energy, but for me the are too many amazon reviews saying they melted!


"The number of infernos where air fryers were listed as a possible reason soared from 23 in 2022 to 93 this year – an increase of 403 per cent."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24815472/urgent-air-fryer-fire-warning/

MultiFuelBurner

markin said:

Air fryers are a great way to save some people energy, but for me the are too many amazon reviews saying they melted!


"The number of infernos where air fryers were listed as a possible reason soared from 23 in 2022 to 93 this year – an increase of 403 per cent."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24815472/urgent-air-fryer-fire-warning/

Surely the amount sold has gone up 10000% with the craze to get one. So safety has improved overall as a percentage? 

That combined with the fact it's normally the idiot operating and not maintaining the appliance that causes the issues.

MikeJXE

This makes interesting reading 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d7f54c4e5274a27c2c6d53a/smart-meter-roll-out-cost-benefit-analysis-2019.pdf

And here are the savings we can all make (assumed)

The earlier a household receives a smart meter, the greater the level of benefit they are expected to realise will be. For example, a dual-fuel household that received a smart meter at the start of the roll-out in 2013 is expected to have bill savings of nearly £380 over the appraisal period, whereas a household that has a smart meter installed in 2020 is expected to realise bill savings of £290 between 2020 and 2034.

WOW thats.a whole £1.50 a month (if you cut down your usage) A shame the smart meter is only good for 15 years and I doubt thats factored in. 

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

MikeJXE said:

This makes interesting reading 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d7f54c4e5274a27c2c6d53a/smart-meter-roll-out-cost-benefit-analysis-2019.pdf

And here are the savings we can all make (assumed)

The earlier a household receives a smart meter, the greater the level of benefit they are expected to realise will be. For example, a dual-fuel household that received a smart meter at the start of the roll-out in 2013 is expected to have bill savings of nearly £380 over the appraisal period, whereas a household that has a smart meter installed in 2020 is expected to realise bill savings of £290 between 2020 and 2034.

WOW thats.a whole £1.50 a month (if you cut down your usage) A shame the smart meter is only good for 15 years and I doubt thats factored in. 

One thing the report doesn't seem to account for is the increase in prices, as that was written in 2019, a lot of people have been looking at ways to cut back on wastage due to the prices pretty much doubling. 

Our entire way of life is built on the idea you can have what you want, when you want, assuming you can afford it. I don't see why would people would suddenly care if their energy use is high just because they have a smart meter, I doubt a smart meter makes many people think about their usage anywhere near as much as a the price increases has, as to how that affects the overall Cost-Benefit Analysis I guess we'll have to wait for the next report. 

MikeJXE

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

MikeJXE said:

This makes interesting reading 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d7f54c4e5274a27c2c6d53a/smart-meter-roll-out-cost-benefit-analysis-2019.pdf

And here are the savings we can all make (assumed)

The earlier a household receives a smart meter, the greater the level of benefit they are expected to realise will be. For example, a dual-fuel household that received a smart meter at the start of the roll-out in 2013 is expected to have bill savings of nearly £380 over the appraisal period, whereas a household that has a smart meter installed in 2020 is expected to realise bill savings of £290 between 2020 and 2034.

WOW thats.a whole £1.50 a month (if you cut down your usage) A shame the smart meter is only good for 15 years and I doubt thats factored in. 

One thing the report doesn't seem to account for is the increase in prices, as that was written in 2019, a lot of people have been looking at ways to cut back on wastage due to the prices pretty much doubling. 

Our entire way of life is built on the idea you can have what you want, when you want, assuming you can afford it. I don't see why would people would suddenly care if their energy use is high just because they have a smart meter, I doubt a smart meter makes many people think about their usage anywhere near as much as a the price increases has, as to how that affects the overall Cost-Benefit Analysis I guess we'll have to wait for the next report. 

Totally agree with you

I was in a smart meter flat a year ago but after using the IHD for about a week I stuffed it in the draw

Now I have moved and on the old dumb meters, I give Octopus a reading every month and receive a bill a couple of days after