VCS Liverpool Airport - LBC phase - stopping in prohibited zone

Fruitcake

Doomtrooper said:

D_P_Dance said:

In that case priobably, but you are expected to make a effort. I have already supplied you with a link

you are totally right. 

On the other hand I have found old response to my appeal which has been declined. And I have just noticed it has massive typo in my surname. It is totally different. Does it even matter? So my first thought is , in fact I didnt received response from them after my first appeal to their kangaroo court. Any thoughts?

Usually an incorrect spelling is a minor point if it is obvious against whom the claim is made. A completely different name would be a major point. As a matter of course you should tell the PPC they have the wrong name. Include proof of the correct name as an instruction to their DPO, and also with the SAR. A copy of the V5C is the best proof.

If you haven't already done it, you should send an email instructing the solicitors and their paymaster that although you deny the debt you are seeking debt advice so they must put the case on hold for thirty days as per pre-action protocol.
This should give you enough time to get a response to your SAR before they issue a claim.

Doomtrooper

Fruitcake said:

Doomtrooper said:

D_P_Dance said:

In that case priobably, but you are expected to make a effort. I have already supplied you with a link

you are totally right. 

On the other hand I have found old response to my appeal which has been declined. And I have just noticed it has massive typo in my surname. It is totally different. Does it even matter? So my first thought is , in fact I didnt received response from them after my first appeal to their kangaroo court. Any thoughts?

Usually an incorrect spelling is a minor point if it is obvious against whom the claim is made. A completely different name would be a major point. As a matter of course you should tell the PPC they have the wrong name. Include proof of the correct name as an instruction to their DPO, and also with the SAR. A copy of the V5C is the best proof.

The thing is that name on LBC is correct, just the surname on the response to my appeal 4 years ago is totally wrong. Like half of my surname in wrong, so my logic is. In fact I didnt received appeal response because it was addressed to wrong person. 

Fruitcake said:

If you haven't already done it, you should send an email instructing the solicitors and their paymaster that although you deny the debt you are seeking debt advice so they must put the case on hold for thirty days as per pre-action protocol.
This should give you enough time to get a response to your SAR before they issue a claim.

I have just send it through their DBCL website contact form.

D_P_Dance

Is there nowhere in Heathrow where you can disembarhk a passenfer without payment, the bus station perhaps?

Fruitcake

D_P_Dance said:

Is there nowhere in Heathrow where you can disembarhk a passenfer without payment, the bus station perhaps?

What is the relevance of Heathrow to this thread?

Doomtrooper

Ok I have first letter draft to MP

01/10/2021

Dear Mr. xxxxx

As my local MP for xxxxxxx, you will, no doubt, be well aware of the Private Parking Company (PPC) scam that issues illegal Parking Charge Notice (PCN) around Liverpool John Lennon Airport. 

 

I wish to draw your attention to the problems that many drivers, including myself, have with regards to this illegal practice. 

Recently I have received a Letter Before Claim related to a PCN (issued in 2018!) from Vehicle Control Services, which is one of Private Parking Companies. Due to the sparseness of the particulars, it is unclear as to what are the legal basis that the claim is brought at, whether for breach of contract, contractual liability, or trespass. My alleged misconduct refers to stopping in a zone where stopping is prohibited. As so it happens, if a car goes fault or any unexpected circumstances occur, these would, inevitably, force the driver to stop, as a result. I am convinced that this kind of practice is against the law and should be stopped immediately.

Second thing - Why company waits so much time before take action about even which happened 4 years ago. This is clear outrageous abuse and harssment.

I trust you will be able to find the time to visit the location during one of these busy periods to see for yourself just how serious the problem has become and can, subsequently, lobby some of your fellow Members of Parliament to support any necessary change or adjustment in the in legislation to accommodate ceasation of these PPC predatory tactics. 

I am looking forward to hearing from you with regards to your views on this matter and what actions you would suggest in terms of moving forward. 

 

Many thanks in anticipation of your help.

 

Yours sincerely,

 
xxxxxx

KeithP

Will your MP know what a PPC is? Best spell it out first time of use.

PCN = Parking Charge Notice, not Private Company Notices.

Le_Kirk

Doomtrooper said:

As my local MP for xxxxxxx, you will, no doubt, be well aware of the Private Parking Company (PPC) scam that issues illegal Parking Charge Notice (PCN) around Liverpool John Lennon Airport. 

 

I wish to draw your attention to the problems that many drivers, including myself, have with regards to this illegal practice. 

Firstly, I have recently received a Letter Before Claim related to a PCN (issued in 2018!) from Vehicle Control Services, which is one of the Private Parking Companies. Due to the sparseness of the particulars, it is unclear as to what are the legal basis is that the claim is brought at, whether for breach of contract, contractual liability, or trespass. My alleged misconduct refers to stopping in a zone where stopping is prohibited. As so it happens, if If a car goes develops a fault or any unexpected circumstances occur, these this would, inevitably, force the driver to stop as a result. I am convinced that this kind of practice is against the law and should be stopped immediately.

Secondly thing - Why why did the company (in my case) waits so much time long before take taking action about an event which happened 4 years ago. This is clearly outrageous abuse and harassment.

I trust you will be able to find the time to visit the location during one of these busy periods to see for yourself just how serious the problem has become and can, subsequently, lobby some of your fellow Members of Parliament to support any necessary change or adjustment in the in legislation to accommodate ceasation cessation of these PPC predatory tactics. 

I am looking forward to hearing from you with regards to your views on this matter and what actions you would suggest in terms of moving forward. 

 

Many thanks in anticipation of your help.

 

Yours sincerely,

 
xxxxxx

If you haven't sent it yet, there are a few suggestions above.  Is this really against the law?  Not sure that this constitutes harassment!

Coupon-mad

 I am convinced that this kind of practice is against the law and should be stopped immediately.

It is against Airport Byelaws which allow for emergency stops outside of the driver's control.

You need to make it clear what you want your MP to do...how about write to VCS and the Airport to complain about this treatment of people and to ask what evidence they have...

Doomtrooper

Coupon-mad said:

 I am convinced that this kind of practice is against the law and should be stopped immediately.

It is against Airport Byelaws which allow for emergency stops outside of the driver's control.

You need to make it clear what you want your MP to do...how about write to VCS and the Airport to complain about this treatment of people and to ask what evidence they have...

That is perfect suggestion. Thanks 

Doomtrooper

Good afternoon everyone,
After many hours of digging through many topic regarding (VCS - STOPPING IN PROHIBITED AREA) cases. I have decided to make response to my Letter Before Claim. I have created this draft reply. Thank you in advance for any comments.

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My Road

My Town

My County

My Postcode

 

Date xx xx xx

 

Your Reference No. xxxxxxx

Dear Sir

I have received your Letter Before Claim dated xxxxxxx

I deny any debt to Vehicle Control Services and will not under any circumstances make the payment that you have demanded in the absence of a court judgment. 

According to the PRE-ACTION PROTOCOL FOR DEBT CLAIMS (PAP) and Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct (paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c)), you were required to provide me with specific data. However, you did not comply with that, which will be noted in further legal proceedings and will be drawn to the attention of the Court. Aforementioned data is as follows:

• provide me copy of Initial Notice to Keeper 

• an explanation of the cause of action

• whether you are pursuing me as driver or keeper

• whether you are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012

• what the details of the claim are; where exactly it is claimed the vehicle was stopped, for how long, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated

• Is the claim for a contractual breach? If so, what is the date of the agreement? The names of the parties to it and provide to me a copy of that contract.

• Is the claim for trespass? If so, provide details.

• Provide me a copy of the contract with the landowner under which you assert authority to bring the claim, as required by the IPC code of practice section B, clause 1.1 establishing yourself as the creditor;

• a plan showing where any signs were displayed

• details of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed)

Please treat this letter as a formal request for all of the documents / information that the protocol now requires you to provide.

Until you have complied with your obligations and provide this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for you to issue proceedings. Should you choose to do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

Yours faithfully,

Keeper

Yours Faithfully