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DCBLegal/Excel Parking - Hearing Date June 2023

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  • In that case I won't refer to BPA as it appears that would just be brushed aside. I'll stick with IPC CoP.
  • Is it appropriate to post the Claimants WS? I'd like some clarification/input on some of the points raised.
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    Yes no problem.
  • B789
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    Is it appropriate to post the Claimants WS? I'd like some clarification/input on some of the points raised.
    yes.     
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    The cases that the cite are irrelevant and out of context. Thornton v Shoe Lane, Beavis, Vine and Chaplair-ltd-v-Kumari-2015-ewca-civ-798. 

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  • https://www.dropbox.com/s/98cgghhotuvnacy/Witness Statement - 153 Pages - Paginated (Compressed)[53] REDACTED.pdf?dl=0

    My most specific question regards around landowner authority. They've presented the contract but it appears to be between the landlord and not the landowner directly?

    I have email correspondence with a third party that claims the landowner does not have a 'direct relationship' nor 'employs' Excel Parking. This was obtained after I tried to identify the landowner in order to request they cancel the PCNs.
  • For comparison I've posted my own draft WS and would gladly welcome any input on its weak points.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/szgz3qhexqzv9u0/Draft WS REDACTED.docx .pdf?dl=0
  • Fruitcake
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    edited 9 June 2023 at 5:01PM
    I think Excel have chucked so much drivel in the hope that the important stuff is buried.

    Things to note from Excel's WS

    Contract witness statement (P76) by alleged managing agent states they are authorise by Sainsburys to contract with Excel.
    The landowner and superior landlord is Rocco International. No contract with or flowing from them to Sainsburys authorising them to engage a PPC.

    Para 9 of that Contract witness statement states the operator is authorised to pursue charges in accordance with the BPA AoS COP. Excel are no longer BPA members, so the alleged contract no longer applies. 

    I can't see anywhere in the massive contract, nor in the Contract WS on P76 that Excel are authorised or permitted to issue court claims.

    The image of a sign is a stock image held on a computer. There are no images of signs at all from the site. If there were it is reasonable to assume on the balance of probabilities that they would be provided. There is no proof that the stock image is a true representation of the signs on site at the material time. Again, if it was, the signs would have been provided. The fact that they have not been provided would lead the "man on the Clapham omnibus" to reasonably believe they were either not there or are different.

    The are no images showing the vehicle parked, nor that it was parked near any signs, nor that signs would have been seen by the driver.

    Schedule 6 of the big contract, paragraph 18 states that parking charges must be consistent with those at comparable car parks in the town of Hitchin. I would suggest that council car parks would be included in that schedule (interpretation that favours the consumer as per the CRA 2015). Check council charges, but they would normally be around £50 reduced to £25 for early payment, and no fake add on charges.

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  • Thanks @Fruitcake that's a real help! 

    What they've provided is the underlease between the landlord and Excel which makes no mention of being able to issue PPC's or Court Claims. The underlease itself has a common seal and has been signed by two people, who are stated as authorised signatories, but it does not state their positions so hard to know who they were.

    There's then a random page at the very end which suddenly they are 'authorised' to do all these things. This has been signed by an Estate Manager, on behalf of the Managing Agent. Seems fishy to me. I've linked it below.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/crnff5tc4s7gyxr/Contract last page.pdf?dl=0


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