Noisy neighbour - sense check

Norman_Castle

lookstraightahead said:

Norman_Castle said:

Rich2808 said:

Norman_Castle said:

lookstraightahead said:

Rich2808 said:

Once a month in summer - its difficult to complain too much but I appreciate the annoyance as loud bass sound systems are loud and inescapable if you are within 50 metres. Hopefully you won't have many outdoor parties from October to March - unless of course they like fireworks!

I can recommend Mack's silicone earplugs on Amazon if you can't stretch to noise cancelling earbuds or headphones.

You have a detached house - so it could be a lot worse. Think of those of us in flats with constant impact noise from running toddlers and heavy footed types or music.

Could you not go out if you know its happening - for a meal, to the cinema or something.

In the end this is the issue with buying property in crowded UK - you can have the most lovely place but if your neighbours are unpleasant, anti social and inconsiderate it spoils everything.  And there is nothing you can do about them usually. Contacting the council takes months - and they haven't the resources except for the most serious of cases (usually where violence and physical threats are a daily occurrence).

Very logical. All those hours and days of worry when you can just go away somewhere for the night. One night a month! 

Nobody should have to "just" leave there home once a month to allow a neighbour to be unnecessarily noisy. "Just" turning the music down is far simpler.

Intelligent adults take responsibility for their unwelcome behaviour.

Perhaps - but some people have to put up with noisy unpleasant neighbours - or just impact noise from daily living due to poorly built flats - seven days a week the entire time they are home. So we need some context here - if you can afford to live in a detached house you are better off than most.

If it was several times a week all year round - especially on week nights when work next day is an issue -  I would have total sympathy. Cos that is what many many people suffer.

People do have to tolerate neighbour noise due to building type but that's because its unavoidable. Most people accept they need to modify their behaviour to suit where they live. Regularly playing amplified music outside and expecting the neighbours to put up with it or go out is unnecessary and selfish.

Norman, just out of interest (and I don't disagree with your concept).

My OH works nights. We live in a lovely countryside area where people constantly have their mowers going, sheds being built, kids on trampolines, dogs barking , cockerels oinking (!) etc. Mostly lifestyle and not essential. Apart from the law, what difference is there whether day or night?

Not entirely sure what the question is. Day or night? Vast majority of people sleep at night. If you need to do things differently from the majority you will unfortunately have to make compromises. Type of noise? The noises you've described are incidental to an activity and I suspect most people would be happy to turn them down if there was a volume control. Playing amplified music outside loud enough to keep your neighbours awake through closed windows has no relation to the noises you've described. The neighbour is choosing the high volume and possibly bought the system with the expectation of playing it at a high volume. They have the very simple option of turning it down or using it indoors.

lookstraightahead

Norman_Castle said:

lookstraightahead said:

Norman_Castle said:

Rich2808 said:

Norman_Castle said:

lookstraightahead said:

Rich2808 said:

Once a month in summer - its difficult to complain too much but I appreciate the annoyance as loud bass sound systems are loud and inescapable if you are within 50 metres. Hopefully you won't have many outdoor parties from October to March - unless of course they like fireworks!

I can recommend Mack's silicone earplugs on Amazon if you can't stretch to noise cancelling earbuds or headphones.

You have a detached house - so it could be a lot worse. Think of those of us in flats with constant impact noise from running toddlers and heavy footed types or music.

Could you not go out if you know its happening - for a meal, to the cinema or something.

In the end this is the issue with buying property in crowded UK - you can have the most lovely place but if your neighbours are unpleasant, anti social and inconsiderate it spoils everything.  And there is nothing you can do about them usually. Contacting the council takes months - and they haven't the resources except for the most serious of cases (usually where violence and physical threats are a daily occurrence).

Very logical. All those hours and days of worry when you can just go away somewhere for the night. One night a month! 

Nobody should have to "just" leave there home once a month to allow a neighbour to be unnecessarily noisy. "Just" turning the music down is far simpler.

Intelligent adults take responsibility for their unwelcome behaviour.

Perhaps - but some people have to put up with noisy unpleasant neighbours - or just impact noise from daily living due to poorly built flats - seven days a week the entire time they are home. So we need some context here - if you can afford to live in a detached house you are better off than most.

If it was several times a week all year round - especially on week nights when work next day is an issue -  I would have total sympathy. Cos that is what many many people suffer.

People do have to tolerate neighbour noise due to building type but that's because its unavoidable. Most people accept they need to modify their behaviour to suit where they live. Regularly playing amplified music outside and expecting the neighbours to put up with it or go out is unnecessary and selfish.

Norman, just out of interest (and I don't disagree with your concept).

My OH works nights. We live in a lovely countryside area where people constantly have their mowers going, sheds being built, kids on trampolines, dogs barking , cockerels oinking (!) etc. Mostly lifestyle and not essential. Apart from the law, what difference is there whether day or night?

Not entirely sure what the question is. Day or night? Vast majority of people sleep at night. If you need to do things differently from the majority you will unfortunately have to make compromises. Type of noise? The noises you've described are incidental to an activity and I suspect most people would be happy to turn them down if there was a volume control. Playing amplified music outside loud enough to keep your neighbours awake through closed windows has no relation to the noises you've described. The neighbour is choosing the high volume and possibly bought the system with the expectation of playing it at a high volume. They have the very simple option of turning it down or using it indoors.

So, it's ok to disturb your neighbours in the day as the majority sleep at night. And the type of noise is the same for everyone, eg it's ok to have drilling work all day long but not ok to have three hours of loud music a month. 

Noise is subjective.

In which case, there's no point appealing to their better nature, because all it's to do with is the law.

Mac_70_

Redscope77 said:

Another neighbour had the chat, it didn't go down well as there has been some arguing.   I'm hoping with autumn and winter upon us means no parties.  Fingers crossed 

Hmm not great out come, looks like you'll have too man up and let them know your also not happy. 

Norman_Castle

lookstraightahead said:

Norman_Castle said:

lookstraightahead said:

Norman_Castle said:

Rich2808 said:

Norman_Castle said:

lookstraightahead said:

Rich2808 said:

Once a month in summer - its difficult to complain too much but I appreciate the annoyance as loud bass sound systems are loud and inescapable if you are within 50 metres. Hopefully you won't have many outdoor parties from October to March - unless of course they like fireworks!

I can recommend Mack's silicone earplugs on Amazon if you can't stretch to noise cancelling earbuds or headphones.

You have a detached house - so it could be a lot worse. Think of those of us in flats with constant impact noise from running toddlers and heavy footed types or music.

Could you not go out if you know its happening - for a meal, to the cinema or something.

In the end this is the issue with buying property in crowded UK - you can have the most lovely place but if your neighbours are unpleasant, anti social and inconsiderate it spoils everything.  And there is nothing you can do about them usually. Contacting the council takes months - and they haven't the resources except for the most serious of cases (usually where violence and physical threats are a daily occurrence).

Very logical. All those hours and days of worry when you can just go away somewhere for the night. One night a month! 

Nobody should have to "just" leave there home once a month to allow a neighbour to be unnecessarily noisy. "Just" turning the music down is far simpler.

Intelligent adults take responsibility for their unwelcome behaviour.

Perhaps - but some people have to put up with noisy unpleasant neighbours - or just impact noise from daily living due to poorly built flats - seven days a week the entire time they are home. So we need some context here - if you can afford to live in a detached house you are better off than most.

If it was several times a week all year round - especially on week nights when work next day is an issue -  I would have total sympathy. Cos that is what many many people suffer.

People do have to tolerate neighbour noise due to building type but that's because its unavoidable. Most people accept they need to modify their behaviour to suit where they live. Regularly playing amplified music outside and expecting the neighbours to put up with it or go out is unnecessary and selfish.

Norman, just out of interest (and I don't disagree with your concept).

My OH works nights. We live in a lovely countryside area where people constantly have their mowers going, sheds being built, kids on trampolines, dogs barking , cockerels oinking (!) etc. Mostly lifestyle and not essential. Apart from the law, what difference is there whether day or night?

Not entirely sure what the question is. Day or night? Vast majority of people sleep at night. If you need to do things differently from the majority you will unfortunately have to make compromises. Type of noise? The noises you've described are incidental to an activity and I suspect most people would be happy to turn them down if there was a volume control. Playing amplified music outside loud enough to keep your neighbours awake through closed windows has no relation to the noises you've described. The neighbour is choosing the high volume and possibly bought the system with the expectation of playing it at a high volume. They have the very simple option of turning it down or using it indoors.

So, it's ok to disturb your neighbours in the day as the majority sleep at night. And the type of noise is the same for everyone, eg it's ok to have drilling work all day long but not ok to have three hours of loud music a month. 

Noise is subjective.

In which case, there's no point appealing to their better nature, because all it's to do with is the law.

I doubt the op is interested in noise Top Trumps. You're dismissing the ops complaint because you think yours is worse.

The renovations next to you are legally allowed assuming they stick to given times and the noise is unavoidable.

lookstraightahead

Norman_Castle said:

lookstraightahead said:

Norman_Castle said:

lookstraightahead said:

Norman_Castle said:

Rich2808 said:

Norman_Castle said:

lookstraightahead said:

Rich2808 said:

Once a month in summer - its difficult to complain too much but I appreciate the annoyance as loud bass sound systems are loud and inescapable if you are within 50 metres. Hopefully you won't have many outdoor parties from October to March - unless of course they like fireworks!

I can recommend Mack's silicone earplugs on Amazon if you can't stretch to noise cancelling earbuds or headphones.

You have a detached house - so it could be a lot worse. Think of those of us in flats with constant impact noise from running toddlers and heavy footed types or music.

Could you not go out if you know its happening - for a meal, to the cinema or something.

In the end this is the issue with buying property in crowded UK - you can have the most lovely place but if your neighbours are unpleasant, anti social and inconsiderate it spoils everything.  And there is nothing you can do about them usually. Contacting the council takes months - and they haven't the resources except for the most serious of cases (usually where violence and physical threats are a daily occurrence).

Very logical. All those hours and days of worry when you can just go away somewhere for the night. One night a month! 

Nobody should have to "just" leave there home once a month to allow a neighbour to be unnecessarily noisy. "Just" turning the music down is far simpler.

Intelligent adults take responsibility for their unwelcome behaviour.

Perhaps - but some people have to put up with noisy unpleasant neighbours - or just impact noise from daily living due to poorly built flats - seven days a week the entire time they are home. So we need some context here - if you can afford to live in a detached house you are better off than most.

If it was several times a week all year round - especially on week nights when work next day is an issue -  I would have total sympathy. Cos that is what many many people suffer.

People do have to tolerate neighbour noise due to building type but that's because its unavoidable. Most people accept they need to modify their behaviour to suit where they live. Regularly playing amplified music outside and expecting the neighbours to put up with it or go out is unnecessary and selfish.

Norman, just out of interest (and I don't disagree with your concept).

My OH works nights. We live in a lovely countryside area where people constantly have their mowers going, sheds being built, kids on trampolines, dogs barking , cockerels oinking (!) etc. Mostly lifestyle and not essential. Apart from the law, what difference is there whether day or night?

Not entirely sure what the question is. Day or night? Vast majority of people sleep at night. If you need to do things differently from the majority you will unfortunately have to make compromises. Type of noise? The noises you've described are incidental to an activity and I suspect most people would be happy to turn them down if there was a volume control. Playing amplified music outside loud enough to keep your neighbours awake through closed windows has no relation to the noises you've described. The neighbour is choosing the high volume and possibly bought the system with the expectation of playing it at a high volume. They have the very simple option of turning it down or using it indoors.

So, it's ok to disturb your neighbours in the day as the majority sleep at night. And the type of noise is the same for everyone, eg it's ok to have drilling work all day long but not ok to have three hours of loud music a month. 

Noise is subjective.

In which case, there's no point appealing to their better nature, because all it's to do with is the law.

I doubt the op is interested in noise Top Trumps. You're dismissing the ops complaint because you think yours is worse.

The renovations next to you are legally allowed assuming they stick to given times and the noise is unavoidable.

It's ok my husband wears headphones so he can sleep. Which is actually my point. He manages the noise.  Legally he doesn't have a leg to stand on, but he would never ask them to stop their noise.

Legally the ops neighbours are breaking the law (probably). Morally they don't 'seem' to care (judging by what's happened so far).

if you are trying to sleep, the only difference is the legal side of things. Sometimes you have to make allowances (for all types of people in all circumstances).

I would say three hours a month isn't too bad, compared to the hassle the op might have to deal with if they make an official complaint.