Day 2 and 8 testing

Ben1989

71peyman71 said:

On another note, I really don't think they will turn Greece and Spain to Amber Plus at this stage. It will affect millions of people with holidays and their return to work, will cause huge chaos, and of course has political cost. 

If they do, they will wait until the end of August when most are back from holiday.

I completely disagree. Decisions are not politically made. They cut Portugal from the green list with zero warning. They also put the Balearics on the green list and then less than a month put them on amber. Do not think they care about people going back to work and causing chaos.

71peyman71

Ben1989 said:

71peyman71 said:

On another note, I really don't think they will turn Greece and Spain to Amber Plus at this stage. It will affect millions of people with holidays and their return to work, will cause huge chaos, and of course has political cost. 

If they do, they will wait until the end of August when most are back from holiday.

I completely disagree. Decisions are not politically made. They cut Portugal from the green list with zero warning. They also put the Balearics on the green list and then less than a month put them on amber. Do not think they care about people going back to work and causing chaos.

I remember Portugal but that was before school holidays and not as many people were affected.

Anyway, I am mostly wishful thinking because I am off to Athens at the weekend. I don't care anyway. I am still going and will isolate for 10 days if I have to.

Spendless

Ben1989 said:

Spendless said:

@Ben1989 - Knew I'd seen it somewhere.

Scroll down and you see this from this Government website

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england

If you arrive in England without proof you tested negative for COVID-19 in the 72 hours before departure, you could be fined £500.

That's why I've told my teen no earlier than 72 hours. The tests have cost enough. Not risking spending more money.

I think that is an error. Here is what it says from the travelling to England dedicated page (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-for-people-travelling-to-england)

Take a coronavirus test before you travel to England

You must have proof of a negative coronavirus (COVID-19) test to travel to England.

You must take a test even if:

• you’ve been fully vaccinated
• you’re traveling from a country or territory on the green list
• you’re a UK citizen

You must take the test in the 3 days before the service on which you will arrive in England departs.

For example, if you travel directly to England on Friday, you can take the test on or after Tuesday and will need to have the negative result available before boarding on Friday.

That's the problem though you *think* that is an error. You don't actually know it is. I agree that the statements are potentially at odds with each other but both are on Government websites and the bit I've put up is also  in bold, which (to me at least) would be strange for an error. Personally I don't think it's worth the risk to be wrong and come across a jobsworth who  fines each of your party £500. Stick to within 72 hours and there's no issue. 

Ben1989

Spendless said:

Ben1989 said:

Spendless said:

@Ben1989 - Knew I'd seen it somewhere.

Scroll down and you see this from this Government website

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england

If you arrive in England without proof you tested negative for COVID-19 in the 72 hours before departure, you could be fined £500.

That's why I've told my teen no earlier than 72 hours. The tests have cost enough. Not risking spending more money.

I think that is an error. Here is what it says from the travelling to England dedicated page (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-for-people-travelling-to-england)

Take a coronavirus test before you travel to England

You must have proof of a negative coronavirus (COVID-19) test to travel to England.

You must take a test even if:

• you’ve been fully vaccinated
• you’re traveling from a country or territory on the green list
• you’re a UK citizen

You must take the test in the 3 days before the service on which you will arrive in England departs.

For example, if you travel directly to England on Friday, you can take the test on or after Tuesday and will need to have the negative result available before boarding on Friday.

That's the problem though you *think* that is an error. You don't actually know it is. I agree that the statements are potentially at odds with each other but both are on Government websites and the bit I've put up is also  in bold, which (to me at least) would be strange for an error. Personally I don't think it's worth the risk to be wrong and come across a jobsworth who  fines each of your party £500. Stick to within 72 hours and there's no issue. 

I agree however it's not a case of a jobs worth it's a case of you strictly won't be allowed on the aircraft. I took my test at 9:30am three days before a flight at 19:30 and was allowed on the aircraft with no issues. I would have been denied if it was 72 hours. I understand what you're saying however and don't mean to get into an argument.

Ben1989

71peyman71 said:

Ben1989 said:

71peyman71 said:

On another note, I really don't think they will turn Greece and Spain to Amber Plus at this stage. It will affect millions of people with holidays and their return to work, will cause huge chaos, and of course has political cost. 

If they do, they will wait until the end of August when most are back from holiday.

I completely disagree. Decisions are not politically made. They cut Portugal from the green list with zero warning. They also put the Balearics on the green list and then less than a month put them on amber. Do not think they care about people going back to work and causing chaos.

I remember Portugal but that was before school holidays and not as many people were affected.

Anyway, I am mostly wishful thinking because I am off to Athens at the weekend. I don't care anyway. I am still going and will isolate for 10 days if I have to.

Yeah I just wanted to make sure you were in a position where you could isolate etc if it happened. Don't want people absolutely banking on it not happening.

Spendless

Ben1989 said:

Spendless said:

Ben1989 said:

Spendless said:

@Ben1989 - Knew I'd seen it somewhere.

Scroll down and you see this from this Government website

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england

If you arrive in England without proof you tested negative for COVID-19 in the 72 hours before departure, you could be fined £500.

That's why I've told my teen no earlier than 72 hours. The tests have cost enough. Not risking spending more money.

I think that is an error. Here is what it says from the travelling to England dedicated page (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-for-people-travelling-to-england)

Take a coronavirus test before you travel to England

You must have proof of a negative coronavirus (COVID-19) test to travel to England.

You must take a test even if:

• you’ve been fully vaccinated
• you’re traveling from a country or territory on the green list
• you’re a UK citizen

You must take the test in the 3 days before the service on which you will arrive in England departs.

For example, if you travel directly to England on Friday, you can take the test on or after Tuesday and will need to have the negative result available before boarding on Friday.

That's the problem though you *think* that is an error. You don't actually know it is. I agree that the statements are potentially at odds with each other but both are on Government websites and the bit I've put up is also  in bold, which (to me at least) would be strange for an error. Personally I don't think it's worth the risk to be wrong and come across a jobsworth who  fines each of your party £500. Stick to within 72 hours and there's no issue. 

I agree however it's not a case of a jobs worth it's a case of you strictly won't be allowed on the aircraft. I took my test at 9:30am three days before a flight at 19:30 and was allowed on the aircraft with no issues. I would have been denied if it was 72 hours. I understand what you're saying however and don't mean to get into an argument.

Who 'oversees' you getting onto the plane back to the UK with your clear covid rest? If it's someone in the other country they may not know or care that the British Government has put potentially contradictory advice up.

I suspect the person whose written it out doesn't know that 3 days and 72 hours aren't the same thing! 

Spendless

71peyman71 said:

Ben1989 said:

71peyman71 said:

On another note, I really don't think they will turn Greece and Spain to Amber Plus at this stage. It will affect millions of people with holidays and their return to work, will cause huge chaos, and of course has political cost. 

If they do, they will wait until the end of August when most are back from holiday.

I completely disagree. Decisions are not politically made. They cut Portugal from the green list with zero warning. They also put the Balearics on the green list and then less than a month put them on amber. Do not think they care about people going back to work and causing chaos.

I remember Portugal but that was before school holidays and not as many people were affected.

Anyway, I am mostly wishful thinking because I am off to Athens at the weekend. I don't care anyway. I am still going and will isolate for 10 days if I have to.

And before MPs started their long summer break! I imagine they're all old enough to have been double jabbed and their children can go too. For the odd few who do have an 18+ young adult still living in the family home, they can either throw them the money to go to Cornwall instead or pay them the equivalent of their p-time wages they're losing out on by not being able to work whilst having to spend upto 10 days in quarantine. 

Have a lovely time in Athens 

Ben1989

Spendless said:

Ben1989 said:

Spendless said:

Ben1989 said:

Spendless said:

@Ben1989 - Knew I'd seen it somewhere.

Scroll down and you see this from this Government website

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england

If you arrive in England without proof you tested negative for COVID-19 in the 72 hours before departure, you could be fined £500.

That's why I've told my teen no earlier than 72 hours. The tests have cost enough. Not risking spending more money.

I think that is an error. Here is what it says from the travelling to England dedicated page (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-for-people-travelling-to-england)

Take a coronavirus test before you travel to England

You must have proof of a negative coronavirus (COVID-19) test to travel to England.

You must take a test even if:

• you’ve been fully vaccinated
• you’re traveling from a country or territory on the green list
• you’re a UK citizen

You must take the test in the 3 days before the service on which you will arrive in England departs.

For example, if you travel directly to England on Friday, you can take the test on or after Tuesday and will need to have the negative result available before boarding on Friday.

That's the problem though you *think* that is an error. You don't actually know it is. I agree that the statements are potentially at odds with each other but both are on Government websites and the bit I've put up is also  in bold, which (to me at least) would be strange for an error. Personally I don't think it's worth the risk to be wrong and come across a jobsworth who  fines each of your party £500. Stick to within 72 hours and there's no issue. 

I agree however it's not a case of a jobs worth it's a case of you strictly won't be allowed on the aircraft. I took my test at 9:30am three days before a flight at 19:30 and was allowed on the aircraft with no issues. I would have been denied if it was 72 hours. I understand what you're saying however and don't mean to get into an argument.

Who 'oversees' you getting onto the plane back to the UK with your clear covid rest? If it's someone in the other country they may not know or care that the British Government has put potentially contradictory advice up.

I suspect the person whose written it out doesn't know that 3 days and 72 hours aren't the same thing! 

The responsibility falls on the airline to check this. They have to know each country's covid rules for entry. Incredible, I know. But that's how it is. People who had not filled in their passenger locator forms, for instance, had to fill them in before they could be checked in. Another check done by the airline.

Sandtree

Spendless said:
That's the problem though you *think* that is an error. You don't actually know it is. I agree that the statements are potentially at odds with each other but both are on Government websites and the bit I've put up is also  in bold, which (to me at least) would be strange for an error. Personally I don't think it's worth the risk to be wrong and come across a jobsworth who  fines each of your party £500. Stick to within 72 hours and there's no issue. 

Given the government website states both 3 days and 72 hours one is clearly and error but the issue is not knowing which. Normally I'd be cautious and take the stricter but given how often 3 days has been repeated and as it worked for our schedule better we took that timing for our recent return.

When we went away before lockdown 2 there was conflicting information on our destination country's website of a similar type but also if the clock was from departure or arrival. Local press picked up on the issue and the minister promised to clarify and harmonise the wording with 48 hours (thankfully a week or so before our departure).

Having crossed the border back into England in the last week from an Amber country there were no checks at all done at LHR - in fact used the e-gates so not even a person there to ask any questions. Check-in was obviously different but was simply asking the Qs and not asking to see evidence.

Spendless

Sandtree said:

Spendless said:
That's the problem though you *think* that is an error. You don't actually know it is. I agree that the statements are potentially at odds with each other but both are on Government websites and the bit I've put up is also  in bold, which (to me at least) would be strange for an error. Personally I don't think it's worth the risk to be wrong and come across a jobsworth who  fines each of your party £500. Stick to within 72 hours and there's no issue. 

Given the government website states both 3 days and 72 hours one is clearly and error but the issue is not knowing which. Normally I'd be cautious and take the stricter but given how often 3 days has been repeated and as it worked for our schedule better we took that timing for our recent return.

When we went away before lockdown 2 there was conflicting information on our destination country's website of a similar type but also if the clock was from departure or arrival. Local press picked up on the issue and the minister promised to clarify and harmonise the wording with 48 hours (thankfully a week or so before our departure).

Having crossed the border back into England in the last week from an Amber country there were no checks at all done at LHR - in fact used the e-gates so not even a person there to ask any questions. Check-in was obviously different but was simply asking the Qs and not asking to see evidence.

Yes I agree. One isn't correct, but which one is it that isn't. I too remember confusion over whether you counted departure or arrival time to destination as we were looking to book daughter's fit to fly tests then and I erred on the side of caution using arrival time plus a few hours in case of delay as I wasn't sure if that made a difference either. As it happened that was one of the flights that got cancelled and by the time of the actual departure date the wording had been made clearer.