Disputing a ticket - frustration of contract?

MothballsWallet

Vanadesse said:

I’ve just found this dated Dec 2016, naming Harbert Management Corporation as the owners. 

One of the results in Google on that name is for an investment company headquartered in Birmingham, Alabama, USA - their logo is a suspension bridge.

Coupon-mad

Does the retail park come up when you search the local authority planning portal? Just a thought, there might be planning permission stating that it was 1 hour and when and if it changed.

Vanadesse

Coupon-mad said:

Does the retail park come up when you search the local authority planning portal? Just a thought, there might be planning permission stating that it was 1 hour and when and if it changed.

There are some shop specific applications but I can’t find anything for the retail park itself. 

Vanadesse

I have found a current listing for an empty unit. I have emailed the agent about it. The documents again say Harbert are the client so I will call their London office on Monday too. 

Redx

Try to find out if they bought the land from tiger properties and if it was in 2016 or later

Bear in mind they may have no contract with Excel and so the previous contract could have died at the time of acquisition , so they may have tea and sympathy , but no muscle to tell Excel to back off

Vanadesse

Redx said:

Try to find out if they bought the land from tiger properties and if it was in 2016 or later

Bear in mind they may have no contract with Excel and so the previous contract could have died at the time of acquisition , so they may have tea and sympathy , but no muscle to tell Excel to back off

I can’t be 100% sure but it looks like Tiger Properties had liquidated and it looks like Harbert were landowners in 2017, whether in 2016 or not I can’t be certain at this moment in time. If there was no contract with Harbert, wouldn’t it mean that they were working without landowner authority?

Redx

You can never assume that , because liquidators can and do keep security and services and contractors working , when a business is in receivership , it usually still trades , like Debenhams did

Redx

Excel produced sign 1 dated 2012 and still the same 12 months later in 2013

Redx

Excel produced sign 2 dated 2012 and still the same 12 months later in 2013

site company was Tiger Properties Ltd c/o Optic Asset Management Ltd , ref 4608599

St Georges House , 14/17 Wells St , London W1t 3pd

8TH APRIL 2011 , valid for 36 months unless extended by both sides

2. The initial charge parking structure is as below:
Monday - Sunday (Inc Bank Holidays)
24 Hrs Charge Parking

0-1 Hr ~ Free (No Ticket Required)
1-2 Hrs ~ £ 2.00
2-3 Hrs ~ £ 2.50
3-4 Hrs ~ £ 3.50
4-10 Hrs ~ £8.00
Maximum Stay 10 Hours

Free Parking for Gala Members on the day if visiting Gala and entering their vehicle registration details into the onsite terminal.

3. The protected area is for the exclusive use of Employers Customers, Tenants, Visitors and/or Staff, subject to change from time to time as directed by the Employer or authorised agent.

4. No vehicle class exceptions will apply, unless as may be agreed from time to time by both parties in writing.
5. No Disabled/Invalid Driver exemptions will apply.

Redx

the tariffboard in 2012/2013 , notice the difference compared to the contract

2. The initial charge parking structure is as below:
Monday - Sunday (Inc Bank Holidays)
24 Hrs Charge Parking
0-1 Hr ~ Free (No Ticket Required)
1-2 Hrs ~ £ 2.00
2-3 Hrs ~ £ 2.50
3-4 Hrs ~ £ 3.50
4-10 Hrs ~ £8.00
Maximum Stay 10 Hours