Windows 11

prowla

So, Windows 10 was the final release of the OS...

...and now we've got Windows 11!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57598554

(I wonder if it'll have the glass effects reinstated.)

Dandytf

Hopefully Beta's surface, been through lots of Win10 Insiders.

pbartlett

Windows 11 required your device has TPM2 which rules out a lot of devices. I have 3 laptops and none will support W11.

Neil_Jones

pbartlett said:

Windows 11 required your device has TPM2 which rules out a lot of devices. I have 3 laptops and none will support W11.

Actually: https://www.crn.com/news/applications-os/microsoft-discloses-tpm-chip-requirements-for-windows-11 - "while TPM 2.0 is ideal, that exact version is not actually required, according to Microsoft documentation on Windows 11 compatibility.  as long as a PC has at least TPM 1.2, it will meet the minimum security requirements for Windows 11."

However the documentation is contradictory.  But the TPM2 thing will resolve itself going forward as all new devices will be required to have it, but I believe it's standard in most machines from about 2016 onwards, though it may be disabled in the BIOS.

unforeseen

So it sounds like bit locker encryption will be a mandatory feature. 

CoastingHatbox

Neil_Jones said:

pbartlett said:

Windows 11 required your device has TPM2 which rules out a lot of devices. I have 3 laptops and none will support W11.

Actually: https://www.crn.com/news/applications-os/microsoft-discloses-tpm-chip-requirements-for-windows-11 - "while TPM 2.0 is ideal, that exact version is not actually required, according to Microsoft documentation on Windows 11 compatibility.  as long as a PC has at least TPM 1.2, it will meet the minimum security requirements for Windows 11."

However the documentation is contradictory.  But the TPM2 thing will resolve itself going forward as all new devices will be required to have it, but I believe it's standard in most machines from about 2016 onwards, though it may be disabled in the BIOS.

TPM is not standard at all, it is still missing from a lot of low end / consumer hardware you can buy.
I think it will be an awful shame if a lot of hardware is binned as a result of this.

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CoastingHatbox said:

Neil_Jones said:

pbartlett said:

Windows 11 required your device has TPM2 which rules out a lot of devices. I have 3 laptops and none will support W11.

Actually: https://www.crn.com/news/applications-os/microsoft-discloses-tpm-chip-requirements-for-windows-11 - "while TPM 2.0 is ideal, that exact version is not actually required, according to Microsoft documentation on Windows 11 compatibility.  as long as a PC has at least TPM 1.2, it will meet the minimum security requirements for Windows 11."

However the documentation is contradictory.  But the TPM2 thing will resolve itself going forward as all new devices will be required to have it, but I believe it's standard in most machines from about 2016 onwards, though it may be disabled in the BIOS.

TPM is not standard at all, it is still missing from a lot of low end / consumer hardware you can buy.
I think it will be an awful shame if a lot of hardware is binned as a result of this.

pbartlett said:

Windows 11 required your device has TPM2 which rules out a lot of devices. I have 3 laptops and none will support W11.

All Intel processors since gen 4 (2013) have PTT in the firmware as an alternative to a dedicated TPM module so a lot more hardware than you expect will support Windows 11.

Even though my kids have i7 gen 3 processors, they have a TPM module on their laptops so even before gen 4 2013 it was available and even though it will be v1.2 it will run Windows 11 although I might be tempted to leave them at Win 10 until next hardware upgrade.

As usual though, TPM or PTT is probably disabled in the BIOS by default for most motherboards and laptops but it is easily switched on. I have it enabled because I Bitlocker all my drives.

unforeseen said:

So it sounds like bit locker encryption will be a mandatory feature. 

It doesn't sound like Bitlocker is becoming mandatory though - having a TPM is about a lot more than Bitlocker and is really useful for security and cryptography in the PC, I think it is a good thing that Windows 11 is insisting on it - so many unused security features on hardware that needs to be put to use.

Anyway, I can't wait to get a copy installed next week, I'm on the insider dev builds already so I expect I'll be running Windows 11 very soon - exciting times!

Neil_Jones

If anybody's interested the PTT v TPM thing for Intel processors:

https://www.onlogic.com/company/io-hub/intel-platform-trust-technology-ptt-tpm-for-the-masses/ - "To your operating system and applications, PTT looks and acts like TPM. The difference is, computers with Intel PTT don’t require a dedicated processor or memory. ... The result: PTT is being deployed on low-power PCs, tablets and other devices that in the past could not bear the additional cost, complexity, power consumption or required physical space that comes with hardware-based TPM."

There's a list of supported processors here, includes a whole bunch of Atom processors:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

I'm assuming this is aimed more at system builders for new computers, as the processor in my current laptop (i3-7020u, a Q2'18 model) doesn't appear on the Intel page  as a supported processor but the other program (the system checker thing) says its fine for Windows 11.  The laptop does have TPM2 support so maybe that's it.

CoastingHatbox

The three newest machines I bought (laptop for WFH, laptop for mother unit and laptop for my wife) all have TPMs.

My one Windows desktop is too old, whichi is a shame.

That said, I've read that it is still possible to install Windows 11 without either TPM or PTT with some command line magic.

I'll also need to check out the rammifications for virtualising Windows 11.

Neil_Jones

CoastingHatbox said:

That said, I've read that it is still possible to install Windows 11 without either TPM or PTT with some command line magic.

Don't even need to do that, just replace one file in the Windows 11 ESD file with one from a Windows 10 disk:

https://winaero.com/how-to-install-windows-11-without-tpm-2-0/

Geoff_W

Neil_Jones said:

CoastingHatbox said:

That said, I've read that it is still possible to install Windows 11 without either TPM or PTT with some command line magic.

Don't even need to do that, just replace one file in the Windows 11 ESD file with one from a Windows 10 disk:

https://winaero.com/how-to-install-windows-11-without-tpm-2-0/

Blimey! That's Techie++. I'm pretty comfortable with editing the Registry and also using the Command Prompt, but I would baulk at attempting that process.