Windows 11

Geoff_W

pbartlett said:

Windows 11 required your device has TPM2 which rules out a lot of devices. I have 3 laptops and none will support W11.

Check if your BIOS has the Intel equivalent PTT (Platform Trust Technology). My Dell Inspiron doesn't have TPM and so it failed the check. After enabling PTT in the BIOS the checker now says my Dell is compatible.

Neil_Jones

Geoff_W said:

Neil_Jones said:

CoastingHatbox said:

That said, I've read that it is still possible to install Windows 11 without either TPM or PTT with some command line magic.

Don't even need to do that, just replace one file in the Windows 11 ESD file with one from a Windows 10 disk:

https://winaero.com/how-to-install-windows-11-without-tpm-2-0/

Blimey! That's Techie++. I'm pretty comfortable with editing the Registry and also using the Command Prompt, but I would baulk at attempting that process.

Sorry, I should have added "go down to the bit where it says "Bypass the TPM 2.0 requirement without rebuilding install.esd", as all you're doing with it is mounting an iso, replacing a file and saving it back again.  All the other stuff is Techie++.  DISM isn't user-friendly but then it's not mean to be used by end users so...

[Deleted User]

CoastingHatbox said:

I'll also need to check out the ramifications for virtualising Windows 11.

Just tried Windows 11 in a VMWare Workstation and it works perfectly, upgraded it from a Windows 10 image. Not sure if my TPM is virtualised somehow but Windows security isn't reporting it as present in the VM but still working ok.

Looks good, it is enough like Win 10 not to put off the dinosaurs who don't like upgrading but has some lovely refinement to the look and feel of the desktop - some of it seems inspired from MacOS. 

First impression from half an hour of using it:

• Look and feel is fantastic, rounded edges, smoother transition animations, shadows, transparency - looks like everything is floating on the desktop
• Improved icons for everything, better spacing, more colour - (some of the new icons already seen in insider Win 10 preview releases)
• Right click on the "maximise" button gives quick access to managing desktop window layouts
• Start menu in the middle, clean, fresh and gives all your pinned stuff and recent documents on first opening which I prefer, and everything spaced out better rather than the Win 10 tiles but doesn't seem to have the animated previews.
• That weather / news addition to the taskbar seems to have vanished
• Couple of glitches in Chrome with autofill drop down menus not rendering

No doubt some people will moan that the start menu has moved after being on the left since the last century but they will still be on Window 7 anyway 

Screenshot from my Win 11 VM:

Le_Kirk

I seem to recall two things about Windows 10; it was to be the final iteration of Windows OSs and there could not be a Windows 11 because any system told to fire up up Windows 11 would look for Windows 1.1.  Presumably that has been overcome!

pbartlett

@[Deleted User] thanks for that. does w11 require a microsoft account or can you load it using a local account?

Neil_Jones

pbartlett said:

@[Deleted User] thanks for that. does w11 require a microsoft account or can you load it using a local account?

Considering Windows doesn't work with any user accounts local or MS, probably safe to assume local accounts will still be a thing.  Just don't connect it to the internet during setup/first startup until you get to the desktop.

Time will tell with 11, but I would be surprised if local accounts vanish altogether - since they were the default in previous versions of Windows and MS is all for the backwards compatibility of all manner of things, local accounts are probably here to stay for, well, ages basically.

[Deleted User]

pbartlett said:

@[Deleted User] thanks for that. does w11 require a microsoft account or can you load it using a local account?

Not tried local account and I don't think I ever will, I'm sold on the idea of 'cloud' accounts for computing, makes refreshing installations or spinning up new Win 10 images so easy as all my settings and most apps are just installed as part of my log in - I'm sold on it.

Other essential features like Windows hello for face recognition depend on it and are all part of my daily use of Windows, can't see any benefits personally from local accounts. My bitlocker keys are all stored in my Microsoft account so I don't have to stress about keeping a copy of them and losing access to my data. 

I'm probably at a different end of the use case spectrum to yourself, I left local accounts behind a decade ago and never looked back, Google have all my passwords, Microsoft have all my Windows settings, Apple have everything on my phone, Amazon have all my backups on S3 Glacier, it is just so convenient, I'm not device dependent and can be up and running on a new device or fresh install really quickly.

[Deleted User]

You can bet your life on W11 costing a significant amount and resources required (memory etc), will be not  be insignificant 

Neil_Jones

Deleted_User said:

You can bet your life on W11 costing a significant amount and resources required (memory etc), will be not  be insignificant 

You can click on the cog top right of your post to edit it to add more information, rather than just posting again

And the system upgrades for each version of Windows have always been modest.  Windows 10 will run in 2Gb of memory.  It'll run like crap but it'll run.  11 looks like it needs 4Gb and 64Gb of space.

Windows 7 was like a breath of fresh air, it ran beautifully in 1Gb of memory.  Compared to Vista, which took all day to do anything the lower the version of it was.   You could stick Vista Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate on the same hardware and the difference between Basic and Ultimate was like a sore thumb, it was that obvious.(to me anyway).

[Deleted User]

Neil_Jones said:

Deleted_User said:

You can bet your life on W11 costing a significant amount and resources required (memory etc), will be not  be insignificant 

You can click on the cog top right of your post to edit it to add more information, rather than just posting again

And the system upgrades for each version of Windows have always been modest.  Windows 10 will run in 2Gb of memory.  It'll run like crap but it'll run.  11 looks like it needs 4Gb and 64Gb of space.

Windows 7 was like a breath of fresh air, it ran beautifully in 1Gb of memory.  Compared to Vista, which took all day to do anything the lower the version of it was.   You could stick Vista Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate on the same hardware and the difference between Basic and Ultimate was like a sore thumb, it was that obvious.(to me anyway).

I agree - I liked XP after 95/98 and the abomination   ME