Car hit me from behind. He said it was my fault

neilmcl

BOWFER said:

Jenni_D said:

Surprising as it seems - No

Everyone you know (that has a mobile phone*) has an iPhone? None of them have an Android phone? So you're 100% certain that nobody you know uses an SD card (e.g. for storing music and photos)?

* Added for clarity to prevent the next obvious act of pedantry.

Hahaaa OK!!
Yes, everyone in my family and circle of friends has an iphone.
Teeny wee SD cards in a phone.....welcome to 1994.....haha!

So you spend loads on a 128GB capacity iPhone, or pay a pittance to expand the storage to a similar level on an equivalent Android phone. You do sound like the typical blinkered Apple fanboy.

AdrianC

neilmcl said:

BOWFER said:

AdrianC said:

neilmcl said:

BOWFER said:

Then constant SD card errors, SD cards are so 1990s and I can't believe they still need them.
Manufacturers need to start offering dashcams as part of the car equipment so they're discreet, like built into the rear view mirror and make them cloud compatible so the footage isn't stored on old tech SD cards.

You're asking for stuff that really isn't needed. Yes, you can argue that micro SD card storage is old, but it's very cheap, most people use them in their phones, and it does the job very well. Cloud storage for something like a dashcam which by it's nature is always on the move isn't going to be cheap nor that reliable.

And when you're driving somewhere with zero mobile coverage...?

What sort of bandwidth is needed to livestream HD video? And what sort of data volumes are required to do that constantly...?

I was looking at it from the point of view that the footage could be uploaded when you're in a wifi zone.
Maybe this is impractical, no idea, but the SD card thing hacks me right off when 2 x Nextbase cameras I bought both rejected the SD cards that had worked for months.
Both cameras shoved into a cupboard, old tech user unfriendly rubbish.

I think this says more about you than anything else.

And where is that footage stored when you're out of connectivity...?

born_again

zagubov said:

Nowadays you'd post it on youtube or other social media so perhaps dashcams need to be more of a standard.

Except that in Many countries they are illegal. 

BOWFER

neilmcl said:

BOWFER said:

AdrianC said:

neilmcl said:

BOWFER said:

Then constant SD card errors, SD cards are so 1990s and I can't believe they still need them.
Manufacturers need to start offering dashcams as part of the car equipment so they're discreet, like built into the rear view mirror and make them cloud compatible so the footage isn't stored on old tech SD cards.

You're asking for stuff that really isn't needed. Yes, you can argue that micro SD card storage is old, but it's very cheap, most people use them in their phones, and it does the job very well. Cloud storage for something like a dashcam which by it's nature is always on the move isn't going to be cheap nor that reliable.

And when you're driving somewhere with zero mobile coverage...?

What sort of bandwidth is needed to livestream HD video? And what sort of data volumes are required to do that constantly...?

I was looking at it from the point of view that the footage could be uploaded when you're in a wifi zone.
Maybe this is impractical, no idea, but the SD card thing hacks me right off when 2 x Nextbase cameras I bought both rejected the SD cards that had worked for months.
Both cameras shoved into a cupboard, old tech user unfriendly rubbish.

I think this says more about you than anything else.

Impatient with manufacturers that fail to make their products user friendly?
Absolutely, I've zero time for that at all - get in the bin

born_again

BOWFER said:

zagubov said:

 so perhaps dashcams need to be more of a standard.

I agree, but in my experience they're a pain in the backside.
I'm not willing to rip my car apart for wiring, so I have wires hanging down.
Then constant SD card errors, SD cards are so 1990s and I can't believe they still need them.
Manufacturers need to start offering dashcams as part of the car equipment so they're discreet, like built into the rear view mirror and make them cloud compatible so the footage isn't stored on old tech SD cards.
It's baffling that they've not caught onto this revenue stream yet.

What about SSD's? Which are SD drives just encased.

As per above in many countries DashCams are illegal. Who is going to pay for the cost to upload to the cloud? As well as what will they be stored on before being uploaded, in area's with poor or no signal?

BOWFER

neilmcl said:

So you spend loads on a 128GB capacity iPhone, or pay a pittance to expand the storage to a similar level on an equivalent Android phone. You do sound like the typical blinkered Apple fanboy.

Ah..."apple fanboy"
The lazy and plaintive cry of the one who's bought the inferior product.

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BOWFER said:

Looks like there's still plenty on here perfectly happy with the person behind always being the guilty party.
Attention any accident scammers, you have the green light (snigger) to continue.

Jumblebumble said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Clive_Woody said:

Mickey666 said:

It's difficult to envisage a situation where driving in to the rear of another vehicle can be the fault of the driver in front.

Have you not read about the crash for cash scams? Apparently removing bulbs from brake lights is a common part of this along with random emergency stops.

Those scams only work because the person behind is always liable irrespective of contributory action by the person Infront.  

There are a number of people enjoying prison life at the moment who somewhat foolishly understood this to be true
eg
Mohammed Azam, 47, Husnain Ahmed, 22, and Sufyan Lone, 24, all from Birmingham, each pleaded guilty to fraud by false representation and were jailed.
The force's Insurance Fraud Enforcement Department (IFED), which investigates such scams around the country, said the vehicle directly in front then carried out an emergency stop, which caused the collision.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-48584360

These scams work on the basis the car behind doesn't have a dash cam (or witnesses who saw it and are prepared to stick around) to prove what happened. If a car pulls in front and randomly slams on, or indeed, even if you were leaving a safe gap but the scam involved a car with the disabled lights so you didn't notice, you'll be found at fault, but if you have the camera you can prove they were crash for cash. The gentlemen at her majesty's pleasure were caught because of a dash cam, as the link shows.

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BOWFER said:

neilmcl said:

Yes, you can argue that micro SD card storage is old, but it's very cheap, most people use them in their phones, and it does the job very well. Cloud storage for something like a dashcam which by it's nature is always on the move isn't going to be cheap nor that reliable.

Also, I'd question why you think a dashcam can't be installed discreetly. It took me less than half an hour to install mine a few years back and I don't have any wires hanging down and you wouldn't notice it was there unless you looked for it.

I literally don't know anyone who uses a mobile phone with an SD card.
I also didn't say they "can't" be installed discreetly, I said it's a pain.
I'm not taking trim panels off my car, or trying to find a live feed.
The pitfalls of having a camera outweigh the benefits for me, by a big margin.

I have a Mazda 3, the dash cam wires just pushed into the trim above the windscreen, around the side panel/A frame, down the door inner rubber and under my seat to the lighter port which is behind the handbrake. I had a 206 years ago where Halfords hard wired my GPS very easily without work. Not a pain at all

The "pitfalls" are you don't want to fit it once, vs the benefits of being protected from cash for crash, parking damage in supermarkets etc. I have an SD card for my bike helmet camera, 128gb, records HD and get about 2 weeks on the card (1 hour round trip daily). They're easy to fit and forget until you need it 

[Deleted User]

AdrianC said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Why are dashcams not already standard? 
Part of me thinks that the car industry is in cahoots with the aftermarket products people, so they always need to leave something that we'll go out and spend another £100 on at Halfords?
Maybe the car manufacturers are monitoring demand for the aftermarket devices to see that it is not just a fad?
Maybe the car companies don't want variances between different cars for different markets?  I understand there are some locations where the use of dashcams is not permitted.

Maybe they know the vast majority of customers won't pay extra for them, and they won't add sales?

Maybe they know that it's pointless fitting something like that, where the tech is rapidly improving, so they'll be out of date in very short order?

As you say, Citroen put an optional factory-fit dashcam in the C3 in 2016, also available in the C5 Aircross. Who uses a five-year-old dashcam now?
https://uk-media.citroen.com/en-gb/connectedcam-citroën®-named-‘safety-technology-year’-firstcar-awards-2019

And I wonder how many customers specified it...

Funnily enough, I do. Got a mobius for about £60 in 2014 with my car, still works fine though the internal capacitor is shot so it doesn't record anything without external power (used to last about an hour maybe, can't remember). Footage is fine for what I need, if I ever need to replace it I'll get one with proper sensors for bumps etc but for a nearly 7 year old car with a few scuffs it's not really worth replacing. I actually have a really old Garmin Nuvi (305 I think??) around somewhere that I don't use but it has a lifetime map subscription and they keep letting me update it

Agree with the rest though. 

[Deleted User]

BOWFER said:

neilmcl said:

So you spend loads on a 128GB capacity iPhone, or pay a pittance to expand the storage to a similar level on an equivalent Android phone. You do sound like the typical blinkered Apple fanboy.

Ah..."apple fanboy"
The lazy and plaintive cry of the one who's bought the inferior product.

Many top end Android phones are better than iPhones. Apple fanbois talk about superior product, then boast about features which were brought in on some Android phones years before. The option to expand memory vs paying more for a phone which will run out being "superior" is just laughable

Iphone 12 - 64gb is £799. 128gb is £849, 256gb is £949
You can get a 64gb microSD card for ~£8 or a 128gb for ~£13. Do feel free to explain how it is superior to pay £100 for a £13 product?