Going electric or hybrid

BOWFER

born_again said:

BOWFER said:

Other hybrids have similar top speed restrictions on the motor only.

Kia Niro HEV or PHEV does not.  Will happily run at 70MPH in EV mode

Is that their limit?
Still no good to me.
Besides, when the full EV Niro is so good, why would anyone bother with the hybrid/PHEV versions?

NaughtiusMaximus

BOWFER said:

born_again said:

BOWFER said:

Other hybrids have similar top speed restrictions on the motor only.

Kia Niro HEV or PHEV does not.  Will happily run at 70MPH in EV mode

Is that their limit?
Still no good to me.
Besides, when the full EV Niro is so good, why would anyone bother with the hybrid/PHEV versions?

Based on my experience of a Niro HEV, acceleration is what determines whether electric or IC power is used rather than speed, cruising at low 70s on a flat or slight downhill gradient the drive will usually switch to purely electric (assuming reasonable charge in the battery). 


As to why I chose the HEV rather than EV version, mainly price (an eNiro of the same spec as my Niro would have cost over 5k more, and that's after taking into account the government grant) with lesser reasons being the inconvenience of having to plan longer trips around charging points and the eNiro's inability to carry a spare wheel due to the space required for the battery. 

benbay001

Grumpy_chap said:

BOWFER said:

benbay001 said:

My (new to me 2010 Auris) hybrid is basically a Prius in a frock. It gets 55 mpg no matter what type of driving i am doing, town of motorway. Try to get that from an equivalent conventional petrol and you simply wont.

https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/search.html suggest that a conventional petrol 1.6 Auris will achieve 37mpg average. Thats one massive fuel saving without the driver having to do anything different than they would with a normal petrol.

55mpg isn't that much more than a conventional petrol would get, if the 1.6 Auris is only getting 37mpg then it must be a really inefficient engine, I get more than that from a 200bhp 2.0 petrol.
The extra cost of the hybrid just isn't saved in fuel, so the only real advantages to it are city zone charges or BIK savings.

55mpg is good for a conventional petrol engine.
37 mpg is rather poor.

My 2014 Auris Hybrid did 44 - 45 mpg.  My 2007 Focus does 42 - 43 mpg.  Not a significant difference for all the extra cost and complexity of the hybrid.  The Auris was a company car, though, so BIK was attractive.  The Focus is far more fun to drive against the Auris being rather dull.  Another thing I never liked on the Auris was the very poor headlights.

My first car was a 2007 1.8 petrol Focus. I couldnt get a better average than 32mpg, and it was less powerful than the Auris. Your Focus must surely be diesel?

caprikid1 said:

BOWFER said:

benbay001 said:

My (new to me 2010 Auris) hybrid is basically a Prius in a frock. It gets 55 mpg no matter what type of driving i am doing, town of motorway. Try to get that from an equivalent conventional petrol and you simply wont.

https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/search.html suggest that a conventional petrol 1.6 Auris will achieve 37mpg average. Thats one massive fuel saving without the driver having to do anything different than they would with a normal petrol.

55mpg isn't that much more than a conventional petrol would get, if the 1.6 Auris is only getting 37mpg then it must be a really inefficient engine, I get more than that from a 200bhp 2.0 petrol.
The extra cost of the hybrid just isn't saved in fuel, so the only real advantages to it are city zone charges or BIK savings.

You could get 55mpg out of a 70's mini I expect !

Ihttps://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overview/30-Mini/535-Mini_Classic.html?constyear_e=2000&powerunit=2

7.2 l/100km is 39mpg. In a car that weighs half as much and doesnt have the inefficiency of an automatic gearbox.

Hardly apples for apples. 

Ive been getting 51 mpg over the last 4 days, and i havnt left Southampton (town driving).

Grumpy_chap

benbay001 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

55mpg is good for a conventional petrol engine.
37 mpg is rather poor.

My 2014 Auris Hybrid did 44 - 45 mpg.  My 2007 Focus does 42 - 43 mpg.  Not a significant difference for all the extra cost and complexity of the hybrid.  The Auris was a company car, though, so BIK was attractive.  The Focus is far more fun to drive against the Auris being rather dull.  Another thing I never liked on the Auris was the very poor headlights.

My first car was a 2007 1.8 petrol Focus. I couldnt get a better average than 32mpg, and it was less powerful than the Auris. Your Focus must surely be diesel?

My Focus is the 100 BHP 75kW 1.6 petrol.  Very slow car, but definitely not diesel.

benbay001

Grumpy_chap said:

benbay001 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

55mpg is good for a conventional petrol engine.
37 mpg is rather poor.

My 2014 Auris Hybrid did 44 - 45 mpg.  My 2007 Focus does 42 - 43 mpg.  Not a significant difference for all the extra cost and complexity of the hybrid.  The Auris was a company car, though, so BIK was attractive.  The Focus is far more fun to drive against the Auris being rather dull.  Another thing I never liked on the Auris was the very poor headlights.

My first car was a 2007 1.8 petrol Focus. I couldnt get a better average than 32mpg, and it was less powerful than the Auris. Your Focus must surely be diesel?

My Focus is the 100 BHP 75kW 1.6 petrol.  Very slow car, but definitely not diesel.

In that case im very impressed! 

And very unimpressed with your Auris.

Grumpy_chap

benbay001 said:

very unimpressed with your Auris.

Likewise.

I do tend to adopt "hypermiling" techniques, but in the Auris it was of no benefit whatsoever.  I think I did too much motorway to make a self-charging hybrid excel.

teachfast

I hired a self charging hybrid with a cable and the petrol kicked in after about a mile even when it was charged high. And I had no control over this. The battery was for regen braking and assisted the motor at various times, according to the little diagram on the screen. 

So your plan to do small journeys just on electric may well not work. 

Petriix

My MG5 added £75 per month to my mortgage (which is roughly what I'm saving over running my old diesel) and is costing under 2p per mile in electricity.

People make out that you can't possibly ever drive beyond the range of the battery but we comfortably drove over 400 miles in one day. The car's 160 mile (actual motorway range) is further than that of my bladder. The rapid charging did bump it up to 8p per mile for that trip and added about 40 minutes to our total journey, but we don't make that kind of trip very often.

If you have off-street parking and don't drive over 200 miles in a day more than a couple of times a month then a full EV is a great choice. If you can take advantage of the 1% BIK or the 100% first year allowance then it's a no-brainer.

born_again

BOWFER said:

born_again said:

BOWFER said:

Other hybrids have similar top speed restrictions on the motor only.

Kia Niro HEV or PHEV does not.  Will happily run at 70MPH in EV mode

Is that their limit?
Still no good to me.
Besides, when the full EV Niro is so good, why would anyone bother with the hybrid/PHEV versions?

No, it is the max UK speed limit. Might go faster. But not going to test it

I got a great deal on the HEV that I could not get anywhere near on a EV anyway. 
The saving on a EV do not as yet stack in in a way that make the larger price cost effective.
I only do 4K a year max. 
EV was a extra £18K to buy.
Fuel on HEV has cost me £150 for 3 months, so at this rate £600 a year @ current cost per mile.

NaughtiusMaximus

teachfast said:

I hired a self charging hybrid with a cable 

Trust me when I say no you didn't.