Going electric or hybrid

AdrianC

DrEskimo said:

Fuel is a running cost...the purchase price is not a running cost. Comparisons between the two are nonsensical.

Of course you have to take the purchase price into account in deciding running costs.

Or, rather, you have to take into account financing costs and depreciation.

Cover 20,000 miles and lose £5,000 in depreciation? That's 25p/mile. Spend £1,000 in finance costs? That's another 5p/mile.

teachfast

NaughtiusMaximus said:

teachfast said:

I hired a self charging hybrid with a cable 

Trust me when I say no you didn't.

So it showed me charging the battery as I went down hills and it had a cable that I plugged in and it charged this battery before I set off.

NaughtiusMaximus

teachfast said:

NaughtiusMaximus said:

teachfast said:

I hired a self charging hybrid with a cable 

Trust me when I say no you didn't.

So it showed me charging the battery as I went down hills and it had a cable that I plugged in and it charged this battery before I set off.

Not it was a self charging hybrid it didn't.


Self charging hybrid =  small battery charged only from the internal combustion engine and regenerative braking
Plug in hybrid = larger battery charged from the engine, braking AND through a cable, this sound likes what you hired

DrEskimo

Exposing the absolute nonsense of the marketing term 'self-charging'....

All hybrids and EVs 'self-charge' in the same way. The thing that differentiates it is whether it can be plugged in or not.

DrEskimo

AdrianC said:

DrEskimo said:

Fuel is a running cost...the purchase price is not a running cost. Comparisons between the two are nonsensical.

Of course you have to take the purchase price into account in deciding running costs.

Or, rather, you have to take into account financing costs and depreciation.

Cover 20,000 miles and lose £5,000 in depreciation? That's 25p/mile. Spend £1,000 in finance costs? That's another 5p/mile.

Christ you were quick...I deleted my comment as I realised I misread the post.

But yes, my point is that it isn't the purchase price, but the depreciation cost.

BOWFER

DrEskimo said:

Exposing the absolute nonsense of the marketing term 'self-charging'....

The advertising standards authority have had many complaints about the Toyota 'self-charging' advert, as it's a complete lie.
They need petrol to charge, simple as that, no other method open.
Evidently not enough complaints to stop the ad yet though.

benbay001

BOWFER said:

DrEskimo said:

Exposing the absolute nonsense of the marketing term 'self-charging'....

The advertising standards authority have had many complaints about the Toyota 'self-charging' advert, as it's a complete lie.
They need petrol to charge, simple as that, no other method open.
Evidently not enough complaints to stop the ad yet though.

Factually correct though. What else charges the battery if not for itself?

(Of course i know what you mean)

Grumpy_chap

benbay001 said:

BOWFER said:

DrEskimo said:

Exposing the absolute nonsense of the marketing term 'self-charging'....

The advertising standards authority have had many complaints about the Toyota 'self-charging' advert, as it's a complete lie.
They need petrol to charge, simple as that, no other method open.
Evidently not enough complaints to stop the ad yet though.

Factually correct though. What else charges the battery if not for itself?

(Of course i know what you mean)

If "self-charging" means that the battery charges itself, that would be truly impressive. 

Would such a system also never deplete the battery capacity and, hence, totally eliminate range anxiety associated with EV's?  All you'd need is a battery that "self-charges" at a rate equal to or greater than the rate of power consumption.  I am thinking I might just get one of those "self-charging" batteries like that and run everything from it.  

I think we have proof that the battery is not "self charging"....

benbay001

As you well know they never claimed the battery was self charging. The car is.

mrprosser

teachfast said:

I hired a self charging hybrid with a cable and the petrol kicked in after about a mile even when it was charged high.

I don't think there are any self charging hybrids with a cable. You either hired a mild hybrid (self charging from the engine) or you hired a plug in hybrid.

There can be many reasons why the engine kicked in. 

Was it particularly hot or cold and where you running AC/Heating? 

Where you accelerating hard? 

How long had the petrol been in the tank? (that one is important, the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV I have tracks when you last used the petrol, and when it gets to a certain age runs the ICE to use the fuel to stop it going stale in the tank. That caught me out during the lockdown as we were only driving on battery for weeks - I filled the tank just before the March lockdown and didn't need to refuel until July as all journeys were under 35 miles and the car was always charged)