Octopus Tracker

MultiFuelBurner

masonic said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

SJMALBA said:

Relatively 'cheap' electricity tomorrow - for me, 14.16p/kWh

Where do you get this early released price?

Probably the same place as me... gastracker.uk

That's my normal go to but it doesn't update at 10am hence the ask, looks like they do their own calculation from Nordpool.

MultiFuelBurner

SJMALBA said:

Telegraph_Sam said:

Is this so that you know whether to have the proverbial washing machine on today or tomorrow, as opposed to first thing or last thing today (which would be relevant to Agile)?

No, as I have non-smart meters - It's because a spreadsheet seemed the way to go in order to keep a close eye on Tracker (so that I can see what the worst-case monthly averages are on an ongoing basis, actual running averages, difference in bill costs compared to SVT etc.), so adding in the UR calculation was an easy addition.

Are they smart but not communicating or dumb.

As I wonder what Octopus will do now smart meters are required for tracker.

masonic

Telegraph_Sam said:

Would  you agree that for relatively minor  (hour to hour = Agile or day to day = Tracker) load shifting it probably isn't worth going to the "extremes" that you do?  The largest single power drain I can think of is the electric lawn mower which could run for up to an hour - but in present conditions it would probably just sink. Gut feel is to put my faith in Tracker and hope that the swings compensate for the roundabouts. I also use a "low energy" dehumidifier instead of a non-existent tumble dryer which should save a bomb even if it can't compete with a warm sunny day.

I don't know who that was directed at, but for me, I'd say I only do minor load-shifting and don't go to any extremes. Over the past 3 months I've made a 7% saving on my bill (based on my weighted average unit rate vs the unweighted Tracker average unit rate). I suspect that percentage could increase if we have some very expensive days in the winter. If prices go into the 40s or even higher, then that's when I'll be taking extreme measures.

I view it very much in the same vein as planning my activities around the weather, which I think we are all accustomed to doing, and it doesn't seem to be an extreme measure to check a weather forecast when planning your gardening, shopping and leisure activities. In addition to that, I simply check the wind and solar generation forecast before I decide which day to do my household chores, e.g. batch cooking, washing, vacuuming etc.

But there's no question my biggest savings are derived from being on a tariff that's generally cheaper than SVT, and keeping my overall usage down.

SJMALBA

MultiFuelBurner said:

SJMALBA said:

Telegraph_Sam said:

Is this so that you know whether to have the proverbial washing machine on today or tomorrow, as opposed to first thing or last thing today (which would be relevant to Agile)?

No, as I have non-smart meters - It's because a spreadsheet seemed the way to go in order to keep a close eye on Tracker (so that I can see what the worst-case monthly averages are on an ongoing basis, actual running averages, difference in bill costs compared to SVT etc.), so adding in the UR calculation was an easy addition.

Are they smart but not communicating or dumb.

As I wonder what Octopus will do now smart meters are required for tracker.

Non-smart/dumb, but I'm on Tracker v2 - AFAIK, the smart meter requirement is for the current version (and for those coming off v3 and later, and therefore being put on the current version?).

Spoonie_Turtle

SJMALBA said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

SJMALBA said:

Telegraph_Sam said:

Is this so that you know whether to have the proverbial washing machine on today or tomorrow, as opposed to first thing or last thing today (which would be relevant to Agile)?

No, as I have non-smart meters - It's because a spreadsheet seemed the way to go in order to keep a close eye on Tracker (so that I can see what the worst-case monthly averages are on an ongoing basis, actual running averages, difference in bill costs compared to SVT etc.), so adding in the UR calculation was an easy addition.

Are they smart but not communicating or dumb.

As I wonder what Octopus will do now smart meters are required for tracker.

Non-smart/dumb, but I'm on Tracker v2 - AFAIK, the smart meter requirement is for the current version (and for those coming off v3 and later, and therefore being put on the current version?).

How are you still on v2?  v3 was pulled before we joined the July version last August, and our first year's term on that is long gone.

mmmmikey

Telegraph_Sam said:

Would  you agree that for relatively minor  (hour to hour = Agile or day to day = Tracker) load shifting it probably isn't worth going to the "extremes" that you do?  The largest single power drain I can think of is the electric lawn mower which could run for up to an hour - but in present conditions it would probably just sink. Gut feel is to put my faith in Tracker and hope that the swings compensate for the roundabouts. I also use a "low energy" dehumidifier instead of a non-existent tumble dryer which should save a bomb even if it can't compete with a warm sunny day.

I think it really comes down to deciding how much hassle it is for you personally to load shift. For me it's not really any hassle at all because most of my electricity is for heating water and charging batteries that can be done anytime. And I have a cooker that uses bottled gas to avoid using peak rate electrcity. So worth being on Agile. But if I didn't have the gas cooker I'd opt to play slightly more and switch to Tracker rather than cook my eveming meal at a different time. The difference between SVR and Tracker is big - the difference between Tracker and Agile is less (so far). I have the technology in place to benefit from Agile so I might as well use it. But I don't expect I could ever justify the cost of buying it purely on the basis of saving money by switching from Tracker to Agile. If I was starting agin today I'd probably be a Tracker customer.

SJMALBA

Spoonie_Turtle said:

SJMALBA said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

SJMALBA said:

Telegraph_Sam said:

Is this so that you know whether to have the proverbial washing machine on today or tomorrow, as opposed to first thing or last thing today (which would be relevant to Agile)?

No, as I have non-smart meters - It's because a spreadsheet seemed the way to go in order to keep a close eye on Tracker (so that I can see what the worst-case monthly averages are on an ongoing basis, actual running averages, difference in bill costs compared to SVT etc.), so adding in the UR calculation was an easy addition.

Are they smart but not communicating or dumb.

As I wonder what Octopus will do now smart meters are required for tracker.

Non-smart/dumb, but I'm on Tracker v2 - AFAIK, the smart meter requirement is for the current version (and for those coming off v3 and later, and therefore being put on the current version?).

How are you still on v2?  v3 was pulled before we joined the July version last August, and our first year's term on that is long gone.

At the end of the fixed term, v1 and v2 customers were offered a renewal for a further term on their existing tariff - I was on v2 (and continue to be, due to the renewal).

Chrysalis

Spoonie_Turtle said:

SJMALBA said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

SJMALBA said:

Telegraph_Sam said:

Is this so that you know whether to have the proverbial washing machine on today or tomorrow, as opposed to first thing or last thing today (which would be relevant to Agile)?

No, as I have non-smart meters - It's because a spreadsheet seemed the way to go in order to keep a close eye on Tracker (so that I can see what the worst-case monthly averages are on an ongoing basis, actual running averages, difference in bill costs compared to SVT etc.), so adding in the UR calculation was an easy addition.

Are they smart but not communicating or dumb.

As I wonder what Octopus will do now smart meters are required for tracker.

Non-smart/dumb, but I'm on Tracker v2 - AFAIK, the smart meter requirement is for the current version (and for those coming off v3 and later, and therefore being put on the current version?).

How are you still on v2?  v3 was pulled before we joined the July version last August, and our first year's term on that is long gone.

Octopus as far as I am aware, have let users on the earliest versions of the tariff stay on them, its interesting as they will be losing more money on those tariffs but have decided to let those people stay on them.  Speculating, its probably down to numbers, as I expect take up started massively shooting up around summer 2022.  Some similar things happening on old GO tariffs as well, with some customers allowed to stay on old terms, whilst others told they need to move to a newer tariff. I expect they will get perpetual renewals as long as their circumstances dont change.

Knowing this I tried to get them to keep me on the 35p capped 21p SC Agile tariff as that was a very old tariff, but they wouldnt budge on that, likely a sign up date cutoff. Wish I tried on twitter instead of email, as the twitter staff seem to have more decision making powers.

masonic

Chrysalis said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

SJMALBA said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

SJMALBA said:

Telegraph_Sam said:

Is this so that you know whether to have the proverbial washing machine on today or tomorrow, as opposed to first thing or last thing today (which would be relevant to Agile)?

No, as I have non-smart meters - It's because a spreadsheet seemed the way to go in order to keep a close eye on Tracker (so that I can see what the worst-case monthly averages are on an ongoing basis, actual running averages, difference in bill costs compared to SVT etc.), so adding in the UR calculation was an easy addition.

Are they smart but not communicating or dumb.

As I wonder what Octopus will do now smart meters are required for tracker.

Non-smart/dumb, but I'm on Tracker v2 - AFAIK, the smart meter requirement is for the current version (and for those coming off v3 and later, and therefore being put on the current version?).

How are you still on v2?  v3 was pulled before we joined the July version last August, and our first year's term on that is long gone.

Octopus as far as I am aware, have let users on the earliest versions of the tariff stay on them, its interesting as they will be losing more money on those tariffs but have decided to let those people stay on them.  Speculating, its probably down to numbers, as I expect take up started massively shooting up around summer 2022.  Some similar things happening on old GO tariffs as well, with some customers allowed to stay on old terms, whilst others told they need to move to a newer tariff. I expect they will get perpetual renewals as long as their circumstances dont change.

They haven't been letting those on the old Go tariffs get perpetual renewals.

Spies

Has anyone left and returned to tracker within the 12 months set out in their t&c's?

I ask this because if I move back to Agile in May, I'm technically barred from rejoining tracker until May of the following year?