Quick ways to go green and save

NigeWick

Lifematters said:

Yet 8 out of the 10 leading causes of death (heart disease being number 1) are linked to animal protein consumption.  Cholesterol for instance is only found in animal products; meat, dairy and (especially) eggs.  It is not found in plant products. 

We are probably best to rely on the science rather than looking for excuses to continue our way of life just because it suits us. Meat and processed meat has already been labelled class 1 and class 2 carcinogen. That’s same as cigarettes and asbestos. If something is bad for you than surely a ‘little bit’ of of that something doesn’t make it good, just less bad than having more. 

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2019-10-29-plant-based-foods-are-good-both-health-and-environment

Totally agree that the guide should include the fantastic OLIO app, 

This cannot be correct. How do you explain our hunter gatherer ancestors being healthier than most of us today? Their life expectancy was reduced because of accidents, disease and combat. It was not until about 1900 that life expectancy reached the same as 11,000 years ago and is because of advances in medicine. Life expectancy dropped dramatically when we started eating grains as a staple about 10,000 years ago.

We need cholesterol or we'd die, and, we make more of it than we get directly from food.

We need to look at who is financing the science as much of it is biased towards those who pay the bills. THE most nutritious foods are animal based, such as liver & other offal, salmon & oily fish and meat animals, poultry & eggs. 

Lipids (cholesterol) are not the best indicator of future heart problems, the ratios between LDL, HDL & Triglycerides are better but not perfect. Reducing cholesterol does not increase life expectancy as this causes other problems. I took statins until I started reading up on the subject. By going LCHF, I brought those ratios to good levels. We need protein, fat and vitamins & minerals from some vegetables, we do not need carbohydrates. In fact, we can get all the nutrition we need from eating ruminants.

Lifematters

We need cholesterol or we'd die.

We make our own cholesterol, we do not need added dietary cholesterol from animals.

Interestingly, a doctor in the states obtained emails between the egg industry and department of agriculture (through the freedom of information act) which helps fund their advertising campaigns. The egg industry were not allowed to use words such as ‘healthy’, ‘healthful’ or ‘nutritious’ in their campaign because of the high cholesterol content in a single egg. Even HALF an egg contains more cholesterol than the daily recommended allowance! More info can be obtained at https://nutritionfacts.org/

We need to look at who is financing the science as much of it is biased towards those who pay the bills. 

Totally agree with this. I was brought up to believe we needed meat for protein and cows milk for calcium, which we now know is just very good marketing by the meat and dairy industry. 

If you’re interested in nutrition you should check out The China Study: https://www.amazon.co.uk/China-Study-Comprehensive-Nutrition-Implications/dp/1932100660  which is the most comprehensive study of nutrition ever conducted. Carried out between Oxford and Cornell Universities over 20 year period. Lead scientist and author Dr Colin Campbell has now been nominated for a Nobel prize for his services to science. 

EricMears

Lifematters said:

We need cholesterol or we'd die.

We make our own cholesterol, we do not need added dietary cholesterol from animals.

Precisely !

Indeed,  any ingested cholesterol is likely to be destroyed during digestion.  The cholesterol deposits in our bloodstreams come only from what we make ourselves - mainly from animal fats.

mggftz30

And only one diet ever ‘a whole food plant based’ diet has been shown to actually reverse heart disease! https://www.pcrm.org/health-topics/heart-disease

Mickey666

Lifematters said:

 I was brought up to believe we needed meat for protein and cows milk for calcium, which we now know is just very good marketing by the meat and dairy industry. 

If you’re interested in nutrition you should check out The China Study: https://www.amazon.co.uk/China-Study-Comprehensive-Nutrition-Implications/dp/1932100660  which is the most comprehensive study of nutrition ever conducted. Carried out between Oxford and Cornell Universities over 20 year period. Lead scientist and author Dr Colin Campbell has now been nominated for a Nobel prize for his services to science. 

I don't think anyone should need scientific studies to realise that milk is a wholly unnatural food for all mammals after the first few weeks/months of weaning.

Human's have not evolved to either need or tolerate the consumption of milk and processed derivative for their entire lives.  Given that, it's hardly surprising that such lifetime consumption can have deleterious effects on our health.

NigeWick

If you’re interested in nutrition you should check out The China Study: https://www.amazon.co.uk/China-Study-Comprehensive-Nutrition-Implications/dp/1932100660  which is the most comprehensive study of nutrition ever conducted. Carried out between Oxford and Cornell Universities over 20 year period. Lead scientist and author Dr Colin Campbell has now been nominated for a Nobel prize for his services to science. 

https://chriskresser.com/china-study-debunked-by-new-research/

Meat, fish eggs & etc are the most convenient forms of nutrition. You're right, we don't need milk just the same as we don't need bread, cakes and other carbohydrates. Like milk, we were not adapted to consume grains in any quantity. What we do need are a large variety of nutrients and we used to get them from hunting & gathering. 

NigeWick

EricMears said:

Lifematters said:

We need cholesterol or we'd die.

We make our own cholesterol, we do not need added dietary cholesterol from animals.

Precisely !

Indeed,  any ingested cholesterol is likely to be destroyed during digestion.  The cholesterol deposits in our bloodstreams come only from what we make ourselves - mainly from animal fats.

Can you not see the oxymoron in what you wrote? If cholesterol is destroyed during digestion, how can eating animal fats increase cholesterol? 

BTW, it is sugar (carbohydrates) that is causing our obesity epidemic which also brings with it heart disease, diabetes and etc.

Hexane

Like milk, we were not adapted to consume grains in any quantity.

Then what is salivary amylase for?

QrizB

Mickey666 said:

Human's have not evolved to either need or tolerate the consumption of milk and processed derivative for their entire lives.  Given that, it's hardly surprising that such lifetime consumption can have deleterious effects on our health.

European humans have, in fact, evolved to tolerate the consumption of milk for their entire lives.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/12/27/168144785/an-evolutionary-whodunit-how-did-humans-develop-lactose-tolerance

And @Hexane makes a similar point, above, regarding carbohydrates.

Lifematters

Cannot possibly take Chris Kresser seriously. He is an acupuncturist who has done loads of fad diets in the past and is now pushing the paleo diet. Best to rely on the science source and peer reviewed papers. 

We need protein, fat and vitamins & minerals from some vegetables, we do not need carbohydrates. In fact, we can get all the nutrition we need from eating ruminants.

To suggest we don’t need carbohydrates is irresponsible. Carbs are a Macronutrient and the body’s main source of energy. Fibre is a carbohydrate and is absolutely essential for human health.  I think people do get confused between good carbs and bad carbs, and what are complex carbs and simple carbs, no surprise really with all the fad diets that are being pushed.

Here is what the NHS says about carbs - just so people get the correct information: https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/why-we-need-to-eat-carbs/