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  • NigeWick
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    mggftz30 said:

     a well planned vegan diet is suitable for all stages of life, including pregnancy and infants. 

    THAT is the problem with going vegan, it needs planning if one wants to be reasonably healthy. We'll have to agree to disagree about it being suitable for infants and I'm not too sure about it being right for pregnant women either.
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    mggftz30 said:
    NigeWick said:
    Vegans believe meat is bad for the planet and unhealthy. 

    No, Vegans believe it is immoral to use, exploit and kill animals for food, clothing or any other purpose. Veganism itself has nothing to to do with health or the environment. 

    Whether animal products are unhealthy or consumption of these products are bad for the environment should not be based on a belief but on facts. As Greta would say “don’t listen to me, listen to the science”

    There is likely many more non-vegans that accept meat and other animal products are bad for health / environment (even if they’re not willing to change) than there are vegans, simply because the number of vegans is a very small percentage of the population.

    All the vegans I have had conversations with quote "saving the planet, because meat animals cause climate breakdown." 

    It's a matter of whose science do we listen to? Follow the money to see why people are advocating anything on any subject. I know from personal experience what has worked for me with regards to health risks and fitness.

    Regeneratively produced grass fed meat is more nutritious than meat from animals fed on grains and other rubbish. I readily admit that much meat is produced as badly as soil destroying monocrop agriculture.
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  • mggftz30
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    NigeWick said:
    mggftz30 said:

     a well planned vegan diet is suitable for all stages of life, including pregnancy and infants. 

    THAT is the problem with going vegan, it needs planning if one wants to be reasonably healthy. We'll have to agree to disagree about it being suitable for infants and I'm not too sure about it being right for pregnant women either.
    Every diet needs planning! You cannot call a vegan or a non-vegan diet healthy in itself as in both cases the person could live off processed / junk food!  No health professionsals would say beacause you ate animal products you therefore have a healthy diet!! 
  • EricMears
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    mggftz30 said:
    No health professionals would say because you ate animal products you therefore have a healthy diet!! 
    Nor indeed are any likely to say "because you avoid animal products you therefore have a healthy diet!"
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  • mggftz30
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    EricMears said:
    mggftz30 said:
    No health professionals would say because you ate animal products you therefore have a healthy diet!! 
    Nor indeed are any likely to say "because you avoid animal products you therefore have a healthy diet!"
    Read my full quote as I thought I made that clear? 
  • mggftz30
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    It's a matter of whose science do we listen to? 

    Food companies have a history of funding biased research to support their products. Biggest being the sugar, meat, dairy and egg industries.

  • NigeWick
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    mggftz30 said:

    Food companies have a history of funding biased research to support their products. Biggest being the sugar, meat, dairy and egg industries.

    I think THE biggest are sugar and food processors.
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  • NigeWick
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    24.5 minute Youtube video:- Eating less Meat won't save the Planet. Here's Why https://buff.ly/3xG9k1e
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  • mggftz30
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    NigeWick said:
    24.5 minute Youtube video:- Eating less Meat won't save the Planet. Here's Why https://buff.ly/3xG9k1e
    You have just provided a link to a guy off YouTube. That’s not science is it?  This guy has also enlisted the help of Dr Frank Mitloehner who is funded by the meat industry. 

    You should take your own advice and follow the money. 
  • Mithos
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    mggftz30 said:
    NigeWick said:
    Vegans believe meat is bad for the planet and unhealthy. 

    No, Vegans believe it is immoral to use, exploit and kill animals for food, clothing or any other purpose. Veganism itself has nothing to to do with health or the environment. 

    Whether animal products are unhealthy or consumption of these products are bad for the environment should not be based on a belief but on facts. As Greta would say “don’t listen to me, listen to the science”

    There is likely many more non-vegans that accept meat and other animal products are bad for health / environment (even if they’re not willing to change) than there are vegans, simply because the number of vegans is a very small percentage of the population.


    I disagree with your first comment too. I feel that Vegans have "broken" the general cycle to eat / consume meat products in today's modern society and are more likely to be switched on to health and environmental issues. Some will be fixated on animal cruelty yes, and whilst not a vegan myself, I do agree the treatment is pretty much horrendous. But I think they're more likely to also be aware of additional benefits regarding health and the environment because they would have researched the topic before changing their diets and consumer choices.

    But yes agree with your last point, I think deep down most people can easily follow the science and see mass consumption will end up causing serious issues for us and our planet down the line. Perhaps we're just thinking "enjoy it while we can" sort of thing! 

    I don't know what the answer is but I'm sure over the next few decades things are going to change drastically about how we act as a people  / country. 


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