Quick ways to go green and save

EricMears

NigeWick said:

EricMears said:

Indeed,  any ingested cholesterol is likely to be destroyed during digestion.  The cholesterol deposits in our bloodstreams come only from what we make ourselves - mainly from animal fats.

Can you not see the oxymoron in what you wrote? If cholesterol is destroyed during digestion, how can eating animal fats increase cholesterol? 

No !   They are two different product streams : any cholesterol  you eat (main source being that formed in animals from fats) is destroyed in the early stages of digestion;  later stages of processing produce your own cholesterol which is then absorbed into bloodstream.  There is no direct route for consumed cholesterol to enter bloodstream.

Mickey666

NigeWick said:

EricMears said:

Lifematters said:

We need cholesterol or we'd die.

We make our own cholesterol, we do not need added dietary cholesterol from animals.

Precisely !

Indeed,  any ingested cholesterol is likely to be destroyed during digestion.  The cholesterol deposits in our bloodstreams come only from what we make ourselves - mainly from animal fats.

Can you not see the oxymoron in what you wrote? If cholesterol is destroyed during digestion, how can eating animal fats increase cholesterol? 

BTW, it is sugar (carbohydrates) that is causing our obesity epidemic which also brings with it heart disease, diabetes and etc.

I'd be more inclined to suggest it is excess calories causing the obesity epidemic rather that just one particular food group.  Never before have calories been so cheap and plentiful and never before have humans had to curb their appetite.  So we now have the perfect storm of unlimited food and unlimited appetites.

shinytop

It's the extreme diets that are harmful to both the environment and ourselves.  Vegan diet = extreme diet. Full English, lots pf pies, chips and lager every day = extreme diet.  Something in the middle = not an extreme diet. Both meat and plant based diets can be balanced and healthy and also environmentally acceptable.

Those of us who went to school in the 60s and 70s probably remember 2 or 3 fat kids in their class.  When I am out and about at school home time I notice a lot more than that.  That's excess calories, not helped by lack of activity.  They will become fat adults and their kids will follow them.

NigeWick

Lifematters said:

Cannot possibly take Chris Kresser seriously. He is an acupuncturist who has done loads of fad diets in the past and is now pushing the paleo diet. Best to rely on the science source and peer reviewed papers. 

We need protein, fat and vitamins & minerals from some vegetables, we do not need carbohydrates. In fact, we can get all the nutrition we need from eating ruminants.

To suggest we don’t need carbohydrates is irresponsible. Carbs are a Macronutrient and the body’s main source of energy. Fibre is a carbohydrate and is absolutely essential for human health.  I think people do get confused between good carbs and bad carbs, and what are complex carbs and simple carbs, no surprise really with all the fad diets that are being pushed.

Here is what the NHS says about carbs - just so people get the correct information: https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/why-we-need-to-eat-carbs/

Mrs Kresser's little boy isn't the only source but I found him first.

Where is your evidence that carbohydrates are absolutely essential for human health? How did Inuit peoples survive when their diet was meat & fish?

The NHS pushes sugar laden rubbish in hospitals. I presume you believe that what our ancient ancestors ate before agriculture, you know, 180+ thousand years was a fad diet.

NigeWick

I'd be more inclined to suggest it is excess calories causing the obesity epidemic rather that just one particular food group.  Never before have calories been so cheap and plentiful and never before have humans had to curb their appetite.  So we now have the perfect storm of unlimited food and unlimited appetites.

It's sugar that is the problem. There is growing evidence that it is addictive, hence food companies pushing sugar laden "treats" and snacks to get big profits. If we eat low carb high fat, our bodies adapt to using fat for energy instead of sugar (carbohydrates). My personal experience is losing 64lbs in nine months, without feeling hungry if going without a meal or two. 

NigeWick

shinytop said:

It's the extreme diets that are harmful to both the environment and ourselves.  Vegan diet = extreme diet. Full English, lots pf pies, chips and lager every day = extreme diet.  Something in the middle = not an extreme diet. Both meat and plant based diets can be balanced and healthy and also environmentally acceptable.

Those of us who went to school in the 60s and 70s probably remember 2 or 3 fat kids in their class.  When I am out and about at school home time I notice a lot more than that.  That's excess calories, not helped by lack of activity.  They will become fat adults and their kids will follow them.

Vegans believe meat is bad for the planet and unhealthy. I have to admit that the way most meat is produced is just that. But, meat can be produced regeneratively. Activity doesn't cause us to lose weight as we want to eat more. A combination of fresh food freshly cooked together with some cardio exercise and strength training will do the trick. I went with HIIT sprinting and bodyweight exercise because there's no equipment needed. As I write this, my resting pulse is 40.

Mickey666

NigeWick said:

I'd be more inclined to suggest it is excess calories causing the obesity epidemic rather that just one particular food group.  Never before have calories been so cheap and plentiful and never before have humans had to curb their appetite.  So we now have the perfect storm of unlimited food and unlimited appetites.

It's sugar that is the problem. There is growing evidence that it is addictive, hence food companies pushing sugar laden "treats" and snacks to get big profits. If we eat low carb high fat, our bodies adapt to using fat for energy instead of sugar (carbohydrates). My personal experience is losing 64lbs in nine months, without feeling hungry if going without a meal or two. 

I'm not suggesting that sugar is not A problem, just that it's not THE problem.

mggftz30

shinytop said:

It's the extreme diets that are harmful to both the environment and ourselves.  Vegan diet = extreme diet. Full English, lots pf pies, chips and lager every day = extreme diet.  Something in the middle = not an extreme diet. Both meat and plant based diets can be balanced and healthy and also environmentally acceptable.

Those of us who went to school in the 60s and 70s probably remember 2 or 3 fat kids in their class.  When I am out and about at school home time I notice a lot more than that.  That's excess calories, not helped by lack of activity.  They will become fat adults and their kids will follow them.

Hardly extreme if the largest bodies of nutrition and diet professionals have confirmed that a well planned vegan diet is suitable for all stages of life, including pregnancy and infants. 

Besides, being vegan does not tell you what someone eats, it just tells you what they do not eat. 

You can be vegan and live off chips and vodka = unhealthy.

You can be vegan and follow a whole food plant based diet = healthy 

mggftz30

NigeWick said:

How did Inuit peoples survive when their diet was meat & fish?

Who would want the diet of Inuit people? Premature aging, lower life expectancy and higher mortality rates. 

Mummified remains have also shown extensive hardening of artieries in brains, heart and limbs. The June 1987 issue of National Geographic magazine carried an article about two Eskimo women, one in her twenties and the other in her forties, frozen for five centuries in a tomb of ice. When discovered and medically examined they both showed signs of severe osteoporosis and also suffered extensive atherosclerosis, “probably the result of a heavy diet of whale and seal blubber.”

mggftz30

NigeWick said:

Vegans believe meat is bad for the planet and unhealthy. 

No, Vegans believe it is immoral to use, exploit and kill animals for food, clothing or any other purpose. Veganism itself has nothing to to do with health or the environment. 

Whether animal products are unhealthy or consumption of these products are bad for the environment should not be based on a belief but on facts. As Greta would say “don’t listen to me, listen to the science”

There is likely many more non-vegans that accept meat and other animal products are bad for health / environment (even if they’re not willing to change) than there are vegans, simply because the number of vegans is a very small percentage of the population.